Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/22 12:42 p.m.

Is there a difference between the 289/302/351 mechanical fuel pumps?  The one I bought for the 289 isn't listed as interchange with the others and I have one for a 351 that listed interchange with 302s but not 289s. Trying to save $30ish dollars in budget as I got the 351 one on clearance. 

Mr_Asa
Mr_Asa UltimaDork
10/30/22 1:03 p.m.

A lot of the aftermarket ones are labelled as 260-351 interchange https://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/15955/10002/-1 so physically they should bolt up, however I'm not sure on fuel flow.

You likely need to look at the GPH rating (which is usually rated in free flow) and the flow rate at ~5 PSI restriction

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy MegaDork
10/30/22 1:27 p.m.

Compare the arms that engage the eccentric on the camshaft nose.  If they are the same, the rest is just plumbing differences.  Pressures will all be within a pound or two, I'm sure.

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/22 6:23 p.m.

Thanks.  I think it'll work.

gumby
gumby GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/30/22 7:48 p.m.

I vote for just putting the 351 in Suprang. Then you know the pump is correct.

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/22 7:53 p.m.

In reply to gumby :

Valid point but I only have 6 months to exploit the hell out of the self trade rules and everyone here knows that I can't do an engine swap in 6 months even if it's bolt in.

Mr_Asa
Mr_Asa UltimaDork
10/30/22 8:28 p.m.

In reply to Stampie :

I mean, John is still trying to figure out what the plan is for the mini-meet?

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/22 8:40 p.m.

In reply to Mr_Asa :

Honestly I could swap it in a day.  Problem is I'd have to figure out exhaust and while I was in there I'd do a $800 SFI flywheel.  Then afterwards I'd have to swap everything back because I think May will be Suprang's last Challenge.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/22 10:30 p.m.

Sometimes they did something like a return line on one but not the other, or one has 3psi and the other 4.5psi based on the carb it feeds, but as far as I know they will all bolt up and function

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/22 10:41 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

Looking at the pump that I took off the 289 and the pump I bought for the 351 the only physical differences I see is the in and out lines are opposite.

Stampie
Stampie GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/22 10:51 p.m.

Let's see if I can copy and paste this to where it's readable (nope fail will do a pic).  Here's what we ran at the Challenge at $40ish.

Here's what I bought as 351w at $9ish.

 

 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/22 11:39 p.m.
Stampie said:

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

Looking at the pump that I took off the 289 and the pump I bought for the 351 the only physical differences I see is the in and out lines are opposite.

That's an emissions thing.  If you pull fuel away from the carb, you can't burn it.  Bingo.  Instant emissions compliance  laugh

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/30/22 11:49 p.m.

I wonder if they list those based simply on how they attach to the fuel lines.  Most 351s were in trucks, so I wonder if the part number differences were academic so they are the correct configuration for the specific vehicle.

I think the more important thing is that the cam lever and bolt pattern are the same.  I have actually used a Windsor fuel pump on a 360 Mopar in a pinch because the bolt patterns are the same and the levers are close.  The lever isn't quite right and it sometimes over-extends the travel and shears off the fulcrum pin, but it's all just geometry.  I think if you have a windsor fuel pump, you just need to install it and adapt the fuel fittings as needed.  (the question being... is it really cheaper until you buy the plumbing to make it work.)

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