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Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/16/23 3:14 p.m.

Long story short, there's an estate auction tonight with an 05 Legacy, 39k miles.  It was just added to the auction list, it's supposed to be pouring down rain, so I'm hoping there won't be a ton of bidders, or that they're all there for the guns and Pfaltzgraf.

I've been looking for a backup DD, so I might enter the bidding.

The auction gives no info on options, color, manual or auto, wagon or sedan, or really anything to help me price it, but KBB says just north of $5k for a base model.

Was 2005 after they fixed head gaskets?  Anything I should look for?  Where do they start rusting?

Of interest, there is also a 2016 Mustang GT california with 1600 miles and a 2015 F250 with 50k miles.  They'll sell for big bucks, I think.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ UltimaDork
2/16/23 3:15 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

They never truly fixed the head gaskets.  It'll rust out in the places you would expect- wheel arches, rockers, subframes.  Look it over like any other car with extra attention to the engine and roll the dice if it's cheap?

Being a Legacy, it may be the 6 cylinder instead.  Those were better.

calteg
calteg SuperDork
2/16/23 3:25 p.m.

Out of mild curiosity, how do you locate estate auctions?

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/16/23 3:31 p.m.

Auctionzip.com

This one is typical junk leftover from a dead person's house and the family is liquidating.

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UberDork
2/16/23 4:33 p.m.

No 

Powar
Powar UltraDork
2/16/23 4:39 p.m.

Absolutely not. Subaru is the only brand I've ever sworn to not buy again, and I'm a guy who likes Saabs and E36 M3ty Detroit Diesel-powered GM trucks.

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
2/16/23 4:41 p.m.

Was the garage queen Mustang and the F250 the same owner as the Legacy? 

Does the house/ neighborhood justify the expensive Ford's? You said "some dead guys junk. 

Some auction houses will add additional items (with reserve) to either draw more people to the auction or try to get more eyes on the cars. 

They're not gonna sell the high dollar Ford's w/o letting people start them. Make sure they let you start the low dollar Subaru also. 

obsolete
obsolete GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
2/16/23 4:43 p.m.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:

They never truly fixed the head gaskets.

I thought the head gasket issues were fixed in 2011 when they went to MLS. Do you have experience to the contrary?

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
2/16/23 4:44 p.m.

Half the people will tell you no. Half the people will tell you yes.

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
2/16/23 4:46 p.m.

At 39k, the HG is still good on this one. If you can buy it cheap, drive it for a few years and unload it.  Or, flip it right away. Remember, these Subarus don't really get good mpg. Average mpg will be about 22. Sure, that's better than the van but for similar purchase price you could have some other spare car that does better on mpg.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ UltimaDork
2/16/23 4:54 p.m.
obsolete said:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:

They never truly fixed the head gaskets.

I thought the head gasket issues were fixed in 2011 when they went to MLS. Do you have experience to the contrary?

Maybe for normal use inside of the warranty period- in practice it seems like there's almost nothing that will keep an EJ25 together long term.  It's a very small amount of aluminum, in an open deck design, with tiny bearings,  so if it's not the head gaskets something in the bottom end will let go eventually.

Upside, most Subarus are extraordinarily easy to get the engine in and out of.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/16/23 6:54 p.m.

2005 should have the linkage rear suspension, they don't have rust problems in Cleveland.  They also don't handle like Subarus, they are kind of like all wheel drive Camrys.  Boring but stready as she goes.

 

I have had customers with 200k on them from new with no issues.  At 39k it will basically be like a new car aside from probably needing brakes from sitting.  If you can get it cheap it will be nice dependable transportation, if you don't like it then sell it starting in August when people want to get their kids a safe like car when they send them off to college.

I'm in the "No" camp.

I had an '05 Legacy GT from 12K to 170K. Wheel bearings last 50-75K. Front LCA bushings last 40K. The brake pedal was soft and spongy. Fairly high NVH (my '12 Camry, with a thrashy 4 banger, is sooo much better, but not as good as kid #2's '08 Accord). Paying someone else $250 to change four spark plugs will be the best money you ever spent. Massive understeer in stock form (easily fixed via many options, though)

On the other hand, I loved the AWD, they're decent looking cars, and mine never rusted, at all.

Woody (Forum Supportum)
Woody (Forum Supportum) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/16/23 7:52 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

I came here to say "No!"... but at 39k, I might take a swing at it.

I've owned four Subarus. One was awesome, three were E36 M3. 

The awesome one was a 2004 WRX, purchased new and driven for 125,000 miles, every one of them hard. No issues.

Two of the E36 M3 cars were 2005 Legacys. One was a GT, which spit out three turbos, and the other was a nice looking NA automatic that seemed great when I bought it (82k), but it wouldn't stop throwing codes and started leaking oil (apparently for the first time) a few months into ownership. I had the engine out within 4,000 miles. I think I lost $4,000 on that car within three months. 

That being said, the NA engines are fun to work on, once they are out of the car. I would love to have one in a dune buggy or something like that.

Look for rust in the front subframe and around the rear wheel wells.

 

 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/16/23 9:38 p.m.
John Welsh said:

Was the garage queen Mustang and the F250 the same owner as the Legacy? 

Does the house/ neighborhood justify the expensive Ford's? You said "some dead guys junk. 

Some auction houses will add additional items (with reserve) to either draw more people to the auction or try to get more eyes on the cars. 

They're not gonna sell the high dollar Ford's w/o letting people start them. Make sure they let you start the low dollar Subaru also. 

All vehicles were from the same owner.  This was a single-source auction from one estate.  There was some furniture with different lot number formats, so they were likely leftovers from Monday's auction.

I asked a couple folks for some back story on the estate.  Short version:  Guy was a retired taxidermist and had a 40,000 - head commercial chicken farm.  He retired pretty old and sold the rest of the farm but kept the house.  He bought the F250 and Mustang as his retirement presents.  He then served a little bit of time in jail.  Evidently the drunk neighbor broke into the house one night and the guy shot him.  The shooting was deemed self defense, but the full-auto AR-15 he used to defend himself was a big federal no-no.  Got out of jail, got cancer, died.  His only living relative is a son who is in a home of some sort.  Sounded like CP, Down's, Autism... something that.  Something that prevented the son from being able to handle the job, so a lawyer was handling stuff.  Titles for the truck and Mustang were held by the bank and it was all kosher and ready to be signed over.  There was one bank person who had done all the necessary paperwork and you just went to the bank with the pink slip and they handled the rest there.  The suby was free and clear because they had a notary ready for the buyer.  All vehicles were on display, running, open for inspection with hoods up and trunks open.

You also have to have the full picture.  This wasn't a big commercial auction.  This was Jim-Bob-Joes's auction service in a barn.  Food concessions were some local Amish folks with ham and bean soup and cornbread.  The buyers were farmers, local gun stores, housewives hoping to score more Precious Moments figurines for their collection, Amish and Mennonite families bidding on tractors, and one old guy who seemed to be very interested in the lawn furniture.

On to the Suby.  It had been washed and a new battery put in it.  It was evidently his DD until he went to jail, at which point it was parked under a tree.  All of the door jambs were covered in algae and the interior had a faint mildew smell, but not bad.  My guess was that the tree droppings plugged up the drains for the sunroof.  Overall, a spotless car otherwise.  Zero rust that I could find anywhere.  Rockers, fenders, crossmember, everything looked squeaky clean.  Not a GT, but well-optioned.  No backup camera, but leather.  It was a sedan with an auto.  KBB PP put it anywhere from $4200 ish up to $5800 ish.  I opened with $2000 and bowed out when it got to $4800.  It eventually sold for $7200.  I guess Covid pricing is still a thing, even in rural farmland PA.

The truck was the real gem.  A well-optioned 6.7L powerstroke, ext cab long bed, 4x4 with 50k miles.  It went for $39k.  The Mustang was kept in the garage and it was just what you would expect for a 1600-mile car.  It went for $30k.  (also an automatic)

I also bid on a model 760 Remington .308 with a Redfield scope that looked old enough to be one of the good ones.  I was willing to go to $650 but it sold for $1000.

I ended up with a Craftsman 2-stroke leaf blower for $10 and that's all I got.

Boost_Crazy
Boost_Crazy Dork
2/16/23 9:39 p.m.

My 2005 Legacy GT was pretty trouble free until 140k, when it broke a couple ring lands. I changed the throw out bearing and clutch at 100k due to the throw out bearing getting noisy. Everything else was solid. An NA shouldn't have any of the engine issues that the turbos had. I don't get the spark plug complaints. They are not hard to change. 1/2 hour job. You just need the right size socket/extension. Nothing special though. Much easier than just about any transverse 6. 

GTwannaB
GTwannaB GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/16/23 9:55 p.m.

I have owned my 2005 NA since it was one year old and it is good work horse. Engine is boring but the car has good road feel. Yeah had to do some bearings a few years ago. But considering all I have spent money on this car has been consumables the bearings are no big deal. With that mileage, buy it. 

maschinenbau
maschinenbau GRM+ Memberand UberDork
2/16/23 9:56 p.m.

Someone paid 7200 for an auction 19 year old Legacy? Yikes

adam525i
adam525i GRM+ Memberand Dork
2/16/23 10:15 p.m.

Just to add some data when someone eventually finds this thread looking at one of these. 05 was the first year of this generation in North America (they were out in 03 overseas) and these cars are significantly nicer than the generation before. These cars are way more solid than the earlier ones when it comes to rusting as well, my 07 has lived its whole life here in Ontario and only shows a bit on the passenger rear wheel well, underneath it is surprisingly clean (I have had the previous two generations to this and they both died of rust). The 05 EJ253 did not have the variable cam timing that came in 06 but was also different to the motors in the previous gen so if you need a replacement it's a bit of an oddball. There were only 4 cylinders available in the Legacy's, Outbacks had the optional 6.

My car (07 2.5i wagon, 5 speed) ate a rod bearing around 250,000 km (bought for cheap with rod knock), I pulled a similar mileage motor out of an 08 Impreza in a junk yard which must've been running on better oil as it still runs great at 350,000 km (I got lucky with that). It has a bit of piston slap when it is really cold out but goes away after a minute. Handling wise I find the car easy to rotate with typical weight transfer, I would not knock the multi-link rear end in these. I've rallycrossed, autocrossed and hit open lapping days with this car, it's not fast but it's not boring either and it is fun to pick on poorly driven "fast" cars with it.

$7,200 is way too much lol

 

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/16/23 10:21 p.m.
maschinenbau said:

Someone paid 7200 for an auction 19 year old Legacy? Yikes

Yup.  Talked to the guy after.  He was buying it for his son to take to college.  I wanted to ask if he checked market value first, but I didn't have the heart.  Sad thing is, for it to bid up that high, there had to be two dumbasses there laugh

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/16/23 10:22 p.m.

Also, my theory about the rain keeping some people away was flawed.  My bidder number was 419.

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/16/23 11:45 p.m.

Wow, I was expecting like $2k.

 

$7200 was what I was expecting you to be able to flip it for in August to someone sending their kid to college... smiley

Fueled by Caffeine
Fueled by Caffeine MegaDork
2/17/23 7:51 a.m.

$7k for a moldy Subaru?  Que?!

EvanB
EvanB GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/17/23 8:02 a.m.

Unfortunately auctions aren't really the place to get deals on vehicles anymore. There are still some outliers so I keep following and attending but the number of junk cars going for thousands over what you would find them for on marketplace or craigslist is crazy. 

Woody (Forum Supportum)
Woody (Forum Supportum) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/17/23 8:16 a.m.

My memory is a little fuzzy here, but 2005 may have been the first year for the drive by wire throttle on these things, and the throttle body or MAF or whatever may be one year only. I had a spare for a while (I thought it was the CEL culprit) and I know it took me a long time to find the right one.

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