Petrolicious article on why we need to repeal that ban
Never. The rest of us have to do it, so can they.
Cars can be engineered just like the legal ones. It's done every day.
As I personally see it.
alfadriver wrote: Never. The rest of us have to do it, so can they. Cars can be engineered just like the legal ones. It's done every day. As I personally see it.
I'm lost. What are you responding to, exactly?
Not that i see this petition doing a damn thing, mind you.
alfadriver wrote: Never. The rest of us have to do it, so can they. Cars can be engineered just like the legal ones. It's done every day. As I personally see it.
Well of course you see it that way because you are you, as usual.
Never mind the fact that as you have clearly argued time and again, that importation rule affects 0% of sales of new car manufacturers so why you'd have your panties in a bunch about it is beyond me.
HiTempguy wrote:alfadriver wrote: Never. The rest of us have to do it, so can they. Cars can be engineered just like the legal ones. It's done every day. As I personally see it.Well of course you see it that way because you are you, as usual. Never mind the fact that as you have clearly argued time and again, that importation rule affects 0% of sales of new car manufacturers so why you'd have your panties in a bunch about it is beyond me.
OEM's spend the effort to make the cars legal for sale in the US. And the money.
If an OEM isn't willing to spend the money and time to do that, then tough.
If one is let in, then how many is too many? What year cut off- 1985, 1995, 2005? The creep potential is amazing.
You see it as a benefit to you, I see it as a harm to me. Simple as that.
They aren't repealing it entirely... just mirroring the 15 year rule that Canada has.
The argument you seem to be making is that someone will see a car they like for sale today brand new, and says to themselves "You know, i think i'll wait to import this from overseas in the year 2029. That'll show them."
The number of people who will actually follow through with importing a vehicle is going to be microscopic compared to the number of new cars sold. New Manufacturers don't give 2 E36 M3s about people who own their brand of vehicle once that vehicle sold and privately owned.
But reasonably explain to me why I shouldnt be able to legally import a 1999 BMW M5 touring wagon built and sold everywhere but here. crash standards should be the same as the bmw vehicles sold here I should be able to pay my import fees, slap a cat on it and have my damn car
Or a 99 discovery with a factory diesel
I'd love to sign a petition on this general topic, but that one sounds like it was written by a 15-year-old. When I see one that's written in a style that actually sounds like an adult wrote it (and that it has some factual research behind it), rather than just some teenage wet dreams, then I'll actually consider putting my signature on it. This one just makes car enthusiasts sound uneducated.
"Differences between U.S. vehicle and the rest of the car producing world..." So, we're comparing a car with a foreign country (not a foreign car)? And do tell, what are these differences? Would you like European emissions laws to be applied to US cars (have fun getting taxed out the ass for your 5.0L V8!)?
"Importers of grey-market vehicles have been targeted by monies taxpayers have intended to be used to secure our country against terrorist activity." So, vehicles are being targeted by "monies?" Last I checked, they were being targeted by law enforcement agencies who are enforcing the laws that said importation breaks.
"There’s no reason why rules couldn’t be relaxed with no real detriment to safety or environment." A well-researched argument, backed up with a large amount of factual evidence (or so we must assume).
I'm semi-surprised that there's not a fourth bullet that says "The Nissan Skyline is mad tyte JDM and if we could get them here, all of my bros would be mad jealous."
That said, the Lancia Delta I want is already legal to import under current laws, and in another year or so the e30 touring I want will be too. Which is awesome, aside from the fact that I can't afford to import them 
irish44j wrote: I'm semi-surprised that there's not a fourth bullet that says "The Nissan Skyline is mad tyte JDM and if we could get them here, all of my bros would be mad jealous."
HAHAHA
alfadriver wrote: The creep potential is amazing.
And has never been recognized or happened.
The rule has been 15 years in Canada forever. Sure, there are some mad tite jdm y0 cars rolling around... all arguably in better shape than the rusty pieces of crap we have here for $5k.
The point is your point is hypocritical; any car besides current model years shouldn't be allowed on the roads if we use your point of view. A car from the 1980's doesn't meet the rules of the road today. On top of all of that, these are used, private car sales. It has ZERO to do with the manufacturers.
irish44j wrote: I'd love to sign a petition on this general topic, but that one sounds like it was written by a 15-year-old. When I see one that's written in a style that actually sounds like an adult wrote it (and that it has some factual research behind it), rather than just some teenage wet dreams, then I'll actually consider putting my signature on it. This one just makes car enthusiasts sound uneducated. "Differences between U.S. vehicle and the rest of the car producing world..." So, we're comparing a car with a foreign country (not a foreign car)? And do tell, what are these differences? Would you like European emissions laws to be applied to US cars (have fun getting taxed out the ass for your 5.0L V8!)? "Importers of grey-market vehicles have been targeted by monies taxpayers have intended to be used to secure our country against terrorist activity." So, vehicles are being targeted by "monies?" Last I checked, they were being targeted by law enforcement agencies who are enforcing the laws that said importation breaks. "There’s no reason why rules couldn’t be relaxed with no real detriment to safety or environment." A well-researched argument, backed up with a large amount of factual evidence (or so we must assume). I'm semi-surprised that there's not a fourth bullet that says "The Nissan Skyline is mad tyte JDM and if we could get them here, all of my bros would be mad jealous." That said, the Lancia Delta I want is already legal to import under current laws, and in another year or so the e30 touring I want will be too. Which is awesome, aside from the fact that I can't afford to import them
I actually think that the person that wrote the thing may not be completely fluent in english rather than uneducated possibly.
Side note, from someone who worked on "The Hill" for a few years in a Senate committee (me): Petitions get no truck. With anyone. Literally not a single person with any kind of authority on the Hill cares about these online petitions, nor do they even bother reading them.
The person who will read and respond to this petition is some low-level staffer who works in a cubicle in the basement of the White House, who will simply cite whatever justification was used to implement the non-importation rules in the first place as the "official" response. The President nor any of his senior staff will not see it. The press secretary's office will take whatever said intern digs up, clean it up into political-speak, and post it on the website as a response. Then the issue will be closed as far as the government is concerned.
The way to get laws changed in this country is money. If 100,000 people put $10 into a pot and then spread that million dollars around Congressional re-election campaigns, then it might get traction, or at least some politicians would introduce bills supporting it (which would get voted down). Money talks and bullE36 M3 walks when it comes to getting the law changed.
Car enthusiasts are not a large enough voting bloc in an of themselves that any politician needs to fear them, so popular groundswell will never be enough. Go find a billionaire who wants this law changed, and then get him to put his finances behind changing the law. That's the only way. Literally.
ryanty22 wrote:irish44j wrote: I'd love to sign a petition on this general topic, but that one sounds like it was written by a 15-year-old. When I see one that's written in a style that actually sounds like an adult wrote it (and that it has some factual research behind it), rather than just some teenage wet dreams, then I'll actually consider putting my signature on it. This one just makes car enthusiasts sound uneducated. "Differences between U.S. vehicle and the rest of the car producing world..." So, we're comparing a car with a foreign country (not a foreign car)? And do tell, what are these differences? Would you like European emissions laws to be applied to US cars (have fun getting taxed out the ass for your 5.0L V8!)? "Importers of grey-market vehicles have been targeted by monies taxpayers have intended to be used to secure our country against terrorist activity." So, vehicles are being targeted by "monies?" Last I checked, they were being targeted by law enforcement agencies who are enforcing the laws that said importation breaks. "There’s no reason why rules couldn’t be relaxed with no real detriment to safety or environment." A well-researched argument, backed up with a large amount of factual evidence (or so we must assume). I'm semi-surprised that there's not a fourth bullet that says "The Nissan Skyline is mad tyte JDM and if we could get them here, all of my bros would be mad jealous." That said, the Lancia Delta I want is already legal to import under current laws, and in another year or so the e30 touring I want will be too. Which is awesome, aside from the fact that I can't afford to import themI actually think that the person that wrote the thing may not be completely fluent in english rather than uneducated possibly.
well, there goes any GOP support for the petition then (I keed, I keed....)
irish44j wrote:ryanty22 wrote:well, there goes any GOP support for the petition then (I keed, I keed....)irish44j wrote: I'd love to sign a petition on this general topic, but that one sounds like it was written by a 15-year-old. When I see one that's written in a style that actually sounds like an adult wrote it (and that it has some factual research behind it), rather than just some teenage wet dreams, then I'll actually consider putting my signature on it. This one just makes car enthusiasts sound uneducated. "Differences between U.S. vehicle and the rest of the car producing world..." So, we're comparing a car with a foreign country (not a foreign car)? And do tell, what are these differences? Would you like European emissions laws to be applied to US cars (have fun getting taxed out the ass for your 5.0L V8!)? "Importers of grey-market vehicles have been targeted by monies taxpayers have intended to be used to secure our country against terrorist activity." So, vehicles are being targeted by "monies?" Last I checked, they were being targeted by law enforcement agencies who are enforcing the laws that said importation breaks. "There’s no reason why rules couldn’t be relaxed with no real detriment to safety or environment." A well-researched argument, backed up with a large amount of factual evidence (or so we must assume). I'm semi-surprised that there's not a fourth bullet that says "The Nissan Skyline is mad tyte JDM and if we could get them here, all of my bros would be mad jealous." That said, the Lancia Delta I want is already legal to import under current laws, and in another year or so the e30 touring I want will be too. Which is awesome, aside from the fact that I can't afford to import themI actually think that the person that wrote the thing may not be completely fluent in english rather than uneducated possibly.
LMAO, sadly yeah
ryanty22 wrote: But reasonably explain to me why I shouldnt be able to legally import a 1999 BMW M5 touring wagon built and sold everywhere but here. crash standards should be the same as the bmw vehicles sold here I should be able to pay my import fees, slap a cat on it and have my damn car
Crash standards aren't necessarily the same. A Canadian 1990 Miata has very different crash equipment than a US car, and the cool WRC front bumper on a 1999 Impreza RS wasn't legal for sale in Canada. And that's across two fairly harmonized countries.
FYI.
Keith Tanner wrote:ryanty22 wrote: But reasonably explain to me why I shouldnt be able to legally import a 1999 BMW M5 touring wagon built and sold everywhere but here. crash standards should be the same as the bmw vehicles sold here I should be able to pay my import fees, slap a cat on it and have my damn carCrash standards aren't necessarily the same. A Canadian 1990 Miata has very different crash equipment than a US car, and the cool WRC front bumper on a 1999 Impreza RS wasn't legal for sale in Canada. And that's across two fairly harmonized countries. FYI.
So even after the 15 yrs in canada that Impreza rs still wouldnt be legal in canada?
After 15 years it would be, but not because the crash standards are the same. Those were just the first two examples that popped to mind, the fact that they're both right on the cusp of being legal is coincidence.
But what the petition is trying to do is get the 25 yr requirement dropped to the 15 yr requirement like the canadian regulations. which I think would be a step in the right direction. Like Irish J said it probably wouldnt do E36 M3 but its nice to think about and feel like regular people can make a difference like were supposed to. Thanks for ruining that IRISH
lol, I just hate for people to do something thinking it's something meaningful, when it really isn't. The time would be better spent for those 83,000 people writing (intelligent) letters to their congressional representatives laying out rational points and evidence for their argument. If a congressman gets 1,000 letters on a single topic from his constituents, trust me his staffers WILL make sure he knows about it. He won't even know about this petition at all, ever. That's the next best thing behind actually putting "campaign money" into his coffers. Congressmen do care about what their own voters think (believe it or not). They just don't care what voters elsewhere think.
irish44j wrote: lol, I just hate for people to do something thinking it's something meaningful, when it really isn't. The time would be better spent for those 83,000 people writing (intelligent) letters to their congressional representatives laying out rational points and evidence for their argument. If a congressman gets 1,000 letters on a single topic from his constituents, trust me his staffers WILL make sure he knows about it. He won't even know about this petition at all, ever. That's the next best thing behind actually putting "campaign money" into his coffers. Congressmen do care about what their own voters think (believe it or not). They just don't care what voters elsewhere think.
Nope, no backtracking you broke my innocent faith in the "system"
ryanty22 wrote:irish44j wrote: lol, I just hate for people to do something thinking it's something meaningful, when it really isn't. The time would be better spent for those 83,000 people writing (intelligent) letters to their congressional representatives laying out rational points and evidence for their argument. If a congressman gets 1,000 letters on a single topic from his constituents, trust me his staffers WILL make sure he knows about it. He won't even know about this petition at all, ever. That's the next best thing behind actually putting "campaign money" into his coffers. Congressmen do care about what their own voters think (believe it or not). They just don't care what voters elsewhere think.Nope, no backtracking you broke my innocent faith in the "system"
start a petition saying that the system needs to be fixed
ryanty22 wrote: Nope, no backtracking you broke my innocent faith in the "system"
Shut up and eat your Soylent Green!
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