I think maybe I'll use this as a way to get motivated in getting this old roof-rack working... since I told my dad I'd get it setup to work on his GTI like two years ago...
and fab up some mounting options... which is something I can do while I'm at home with the kids
just watch 30mins of this video for track familiarization:
off hand, I see 30seconds of that lap that I could NOS. 3 laps, and 0.04#s for a 50shot... 30*3*.04 = 3.6lbs for one session, at one track.
so, looking over this Sonata, I do a safercar.gov VIN check, and come up with:
NHTSA Recall Number: opens new window takes away from VIN lookup section>13V354000Recall Date: August 9, 2013
Manufacturer Recall Number: 113SUMMARY:
HYUNDAI IS RECALLING CERTAIN MODEL YEAR 2006-2010 SONATA VEHICLES MANUFACTURED MARCH 1, 2005, THROUGH JANUARY 21, 2010; AND MODEL YEAR 2006-2011 AZERA VEHICLES MANUFACTURED SEPTEMBER 27, 2005, THROUGH NOVEMBER 22, 2010 ORIGINALLY SOLD IN, OR CURRENTLY REGISTERED IN, CONNECTICUT, DELAWARE, ILLINOIS, INDIANA, IOWA, MAINE, MARYLAND, MASSACHUSETTS, MICHIGAN, MINNESOTA, MISSOURI, NEW HAMPSHIRE, NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA, RHODE ISLAND, VERMONT, WEST VIRGINIA, WISCONSIN AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA. ROAD SALT AND WATER CAN ENTER PORTIONS OF THE REAR CROSSMEMBER, LEADING TO CORROSION OF THE CROSSMEMBER STEEL. THIS MAY LEAD TO DETACHMENT OF ONE OF THE REAR CONTROL ARMS.
SAFETY RISK:
CONTROL ARM SEPARATION MAY SUDDENLY CHANGE THE REAR WHEEL ALIGNMENT, AFFECTING THE HANDLING OF THE VEHICLE, INCREASING THE RISK OF A CRASH.
REMEDY:
HYUNDAI WILL NOTIFY OWNERS, AND DEALERS WILL REPAIR OR REPLACE THE CROSSMEMBER ASSEMBLY. THE RECALL BEGAN ON OCTOBER 8, 2013. OWNERS MAY CONTACT HYUNDAI CUSTOMER CARE CENTER AT 1-800-633-5151. HYUNDAI'S RECALL NUMBER IS 113.
RECALL STATUS:
Recall INCOMPLETE
MANUFACTURER NOTES:
OWNERS MAY ALSO CONTACT THE NAT'L HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMIN VEHICLE SAFETY HOTLINE AT 1-888-327-4236(TTY 1-800-424-9153), OR GO TO WWW.SAFERCAR.GOV
at least I can take it to Hyundai and the work is free, right?
Yep. Many of their cars in the last 10 years have had rust recalls. I got the lca's replaced for free on 2 of ours (one showing 210k miles).
If you crawl under it, tap the crossmember with a screwdriver. If it flakes or falls through, take it in to get a free one.
sleepyhead said:just watch 30mins of this video for track familiarization:
off hand, I see 30seconds of that lap that I could NOS. 3 laps, and 0.04#s for a 50shot... 30*3*.04 = 3.6lbs for one session, at one track.
So my question based on that math is, how many bottles/refills would that require? What is the plan? carry enough bottles for the whole event or detour to places for refill along the route?
Hopefully nitrous re-fills are easier to find than e85, When doing our homework for this year we found a pretty large gap in the route with no e85 for several hundred miles in any direction.
Also, I am now subscribed to this entry so I can vicariously live through you! I refuse to miss this event two years in a row.
I'm less worried about him running out of NOS than I am about him running out of headgasket. There's a reason I already said that we don't have a back seat this time. 
Autobahn, Gateway, and Hallet are all under 2miles length. Although Gateway has a pretty good 'straight' to use NOS on; and Autobahn sets the field. There's some benefit to getting good scores early, while more cars are running, so bigger gaps reward bigger points spreads.
A 5# bottle would get us through a Low ET run, but I need to make sure to take the car to a drag shakedown so we have an idea of what bracket time to put in.
High Plains is 2.55miles, and at altitude... so trying to run a 15# bottle to empty over am/pm sessions probably makes good use of a bottle. Heck, maybe I should get some 75hp jets to swap in for there, so I'm at "altitude corrected hp levels" while everyone else is wheezing.
Cresson's afternoon session is over 3miles, with several long straights... so, good for a 10# bottle... although I've got to watch some video and do some math.
That leaves NOLA and NCM. I've got 13-14 laps driving, and ~3laps sighting at NCM (got most of a timed session in when the Shogun spun into the railing in 2016)... so, I could probably stay "ahead" of people that haven't been there. Then again, it's over 3miles with a couple long straights, one out of a 2nd gear corner, that would benefit the use of a bottle.
So, it looks like I could probably get away with 4 15# bottles, or maybe 3 15's and a 5 or 10... depending on what I can scrounge up, without relying on refills.
It hasn't been used much of late, but NOS was semi-prevalent at OLoA in the early 2000's. And it makes some sense... power when you need it (at the track), no power/wear when you're just burning the miles (transits). I reckon an electric-powered supercharger could/would make a lot of sense at OneLap for the same reasons... one of these days, I'll cobble a system together and try that theory out 
I have to think that's where the turbocharged cars in general have an advantage over something NA during transit, you can make the same power on a less high strung/racey engine. Electric supercharger sounds like a neat concept too, I like the Mercedes supercharger that uses a clutch to disengage when not in use also.
Since it's the only track outside of NCM I'm familiar with I'll offer the below:
Pending which autobahn configuration you're running there are a few fairly long straights,
If you run North you almost never actually stop turning.
I've got a clip of when I ran South below:
I would think you could benefit from a bit of spray on South at the start/finish straight (note that first left hand kink is taken WOT) once you make turn 1 in a lower hp car you should be able to go WOT again through till turn 3 perhaps a pair of spots to use NOS? the biggest spot I think you'd be able to use it to your advantage is around the 1:13 second mark in this video, that little S curve just before is a pretty slow patience section and I'd think some NOS would help dig out of that turn onto the longest straight on the track.
I was trying to find a video of Matt on the same track but he doesn't have any posted, our lines are about identical but he's a lot smoother with his hands and would've been a better person to watch.
In reply to klodkrawler05 :
We're running South at Autobahn... it's the best track they have to get the field seceded with... since there's no way we can run the combined tracks.
I've got 15 laps on South... all OneLap laps: Fit, Miata, MINI...
but, I still get a bit lost between 0:45 and 1:05... which means I tend to over-slow before each of the right-handers. Also, the sight picture/4th gear nature of the two left-handers between and 0:30 and 0:42 are an area I still need some work on w.r.t. shifting my focus down-track and not letting the initial "pinched exit" sight picture determine my corner speed.
And yes, front straight, and the straight after 1:05 would be good points to breathe in laughingly.
I struggle in those same spots! the 2 lefts 0:30-0:42 are tough because in the 1st left you can't really see where you are exiting, as you said, the picture is of a tight left, but it really opens up. You just need seat time to know how far out the track is going to be to catch you, not really something you can pick up over 6 laps at OLOA. Although for OLOA if you typically brake pretty consistently you could focus on your brake release point, each lap try to get off the brakes a touch sooner each lap until you reach a speed that you deem fast enough.
My mistake on the 2nd left is usually not getting in tight to the curb, looking ahead is fine, you've got time to plan out your line but I always want to make that a big sweeping arc which just adds needless distance vs getting up on that curb.
heading into 0:45 In my head it's the same double radius brake mid turn corner that is at Gingerman 5-6 done correctly in my head it always feels like I've carried too much speed but then mid turn I discover I probably over slowed. At 0:49, don't be afraid to use all of the track here, I always see folks make that turn tighter than they need to and sit 1-2 car lengths inside the gators, get right out to them and get as much run down the straight as you can. 0:53, the bravery kink, smooth steady hands will help here more than any set line, keep the skinny pedal on the floor and just lightly suggest where you'd like to go with the steering wheel. From 1:00 to 1:05 I'm not much help, I keep trying different things through there and none of them feel good.
I still think South is better than North though I've only driven fun laps for South. North is just a bunch of the same type of mostly flat corners where you have no visual reference as to how the corner finishes. All you can do is try to remember which identical looking corner is wide on exit and which isn't. It's a dumb game. I though the South side had a LOT more character.
Seth I'd agree with that assessment.
Gridlife weekend at Autobahn runs North track in the morning, full track in the evening and then South track the next day. It's a different experience running the South track and then entering North trying to remember was the first corner tight or wide? It's also the first place I've run with nearly 3 minute laps, which feels very odd when you don't get to re-do the same corner every 60-90 seconds.
klodkrawler05 said:Seth I'd agree with that assessment.
Gridlife weekend at Autobahn runs North track in the morning, full track in the evening and then South track the next day. It's a different experience running the South track and then entering North trying to remember was the first corner tight or wide? It's also the first place I've run with nearly 3 minute laps, which feels very odd when you don't get to re-do the same corner every 60-90 seconds.
I think GridLife can run the combo-course because they're there after the members have had all of the aloted time, but before any noise constraints set in (dunno if that's a thing there or not). I reckon that Brock doesn't want to have to wait around 'till then to run that setup.
klodkrawler05 said:I struggle in those same spots! the 2 lefts 0:30-0:42 are tough because in the 1st left you can't really see where you are exiting, as you said, the picture is of a tight left, but it really opens up. You just need seat time to know how far out the track is going to be to catch you, not really something you can pick up over 6 laps at OLOA. Although for OLOA if you typically brake pretty consistently you could focus on your brake release point, each lap try to get off the brakes a touch sooner each lap until you reach a speed that you deem fast enough.
My mistake on the 2nd left is usually not getting in tight to the curb, looking ahead is fine, you've got time to plan out your line but I always want to make that a big sweeping arc which just adds needless distance vs getting up on that curb.
heading into 0:45 In my head it's the same double radius brake mid turn corner that is at Gingerman 5-6 done correctly in my head it always feels like I've carried too much speed but then mid turn I discover I probably over slowed. At 0:49, don't be afraid to use all of the track here, I always see folks make that turn tighter than they need to and sit 1-2 car lengths inside the gators, get right out to them and get as much run down the straight as you can. 0:53, the bravery kink, smooth steady hands will help here more than any set line, keep the skinny pedal on the floor and just lightly suggest where you'd like to go with the steering wheel. From 1:00 to 1:05 I'm not much help, I keep trying different things through there and none of them feel good.
I think I've realized I need to think of the spot at 45sec like Oak Tree at VIR... only it's flatter. So it's all about late-trail braking to help set the car to point in to the apex. Similarly, I think I can try to trick myself into thinking that the two right handers between 1:00 and 1:05 are like those two corners before the backstraight at Road Atlanta. My problem was I kept coming around the first right hander thinking I needed to setup to go left... and getting out of the apex and feeling like an idiot, over slowed and in the middle of the track.
I've also realized I need to spend a lot of time retraining my brain if I'm going to have any chance with the Sonata... since it's manual gear selector is opposite of BMW... which I got used to with my wife's '04 330xi.
sleepyhead said:I've also realized I need to spend a lot of time retraining my brain if I'm going to have any chance with the Sonata... since it's manual gear selector is opposite of BMW... which I got used to with my wife's '04 330xi.
I learned it "pull back to slow, push forward to go faster". The new ('14) Forte is the first one I've owned. So I make sure I know which way I'm going! First night I accidentally slipped it into 2nd at 50mph.
Tim, I hadn't thought about it in those terms but after you verbalized it and I thought about it............I wound up doing that unconsciously last year on unfamiliar tracks during the walk. "Oh this is like that corner on track X that I've been too"
That's a good mental prep if you can string together the track as corners you've run elsewhere.
I think there's a reason that good autocrossers do well at One Lap.
mazdeuce - Seth said:I think there's a reason that good autocrossers do well at One Lap.
which is another reason why the gridlife autocross program probably has a bunch of room to expand.
edit: oh wait, or is it because all autocrossers are BAMF's? or is that delineation solely reserved for rally-crossers?
Bob the REAL oil guy. said:sleepyhead said:I've also realized I need to spend a lot of time retraining my brain if I'm going to have any chance with the Sonata... since it's manual gear selector is opposite of BMW... which I got used to with my wife's '04 330xi.
I learned it "pull back to slow, push forward to go faster". The new ('14) Forte is the first one I've owned. So I make sure I know which way I'm going! First night I accidentally slipped it into 2nd at 50mph.
I've been trying to think about it as "whoa horses" (pulling on the reins), and "let's go!" (girlish anime hand-sweep)... only semi-successful so far while watching video
the one benefit I have, is I've been through "re-programing" pathways before... having spent some time driving around right-hand drive countries. And, that my old job gave me the opportunity to (on a limited basis) experiment with aircraft roll-control reversal. I don't think I've seen a pilot that scared before... got up and left the simulator, wouldn't return until we'd proven that the ailerons were "correct"... because they didn't want any contamination of their "this is the way to control an aircraft" instincts
sleepyhead said:mazdeuce - Seth said:I think there's a reason that good autocrossers do well at One Lap.
which is another reason why the gridlife autocross program probably has a bunch of room to expand.
edit: oh wait, or is it because all autocrossers are BAMF's? or is that delineation solely reserved for rally-crossers?
Well of COURSE auto-x'ers are BAMF's. Thats just a given.
so, good news everyone...
I've got things finangled around so that the MINI should hopefully be gone by Sunday of next week... which gives me a week to meet my President's Day deadline
YAY!
more small progress...
with the help of dad, who's been buying up copper tube, couplers or something, to rehabilitate some old chisels... I now have a "spacer" that sucks up the space of the old post, and the TL now starts! and drives.
It doesn't seem to be too happy about sitting so long, and now the key-fob isn't registering locks/unlocks. So, I'll have to dig into that. But, one step closer to getting it inspected too.
Both the Mini and the TL worked, but I'm sure Bob can find something Hyundai that's better. 
I think I may have found a winner... but can't tell if it's a 4 or a 6 
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