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Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
2/27/13 12:42 p.m.
BillHowell wrote:
dean1484 wrote:
BillHowell wrote: we don't discriminate.
Ya... . Sure.. . . What ever you say.. . . The host was definitely not an equal opportunity bigot.
I am talking about American Street Car Series. I had nothing to do with the TV show other than I was one of the "Rednecks". Producers and networks drive the direction of how the show airs. Read back thru this one thread and if every thing everyone suggested was put into the show, it would be a 4 hour event, that just isn't going to happen. With the name of the show, what did you really think was going to happen??? On the other hand, you want real "Run want you Brung" racing, come to Kershaw. If you are faster than me, Brian, Yancy or the other rednecks, then guess what, no one is going to argue with you when the results go up on our website. American Street Car Series doesn't care what you bring to race, we just want to see you race. Come show us how fast U R. Are YOU IN or are you just posting to post? Anyone can hammer a keyboard, however, time for the BS to stop and let the times tell the tale. No producer or cameras in April, just rubber and gasoline.

I bet you have the hairiest chest i've ever seen.

yamaha
yamaha SuperDork
2/27/13 1:16 p.m.
BillHowell wrote: I am talking about American Street Car Series. I had nothing to do with the TV show other than I was one of the "Rednecks". Producers and networks drive the direction of how the show airs. Read back thru this one thread and if every thing everyone suggested was put into the show, it would be a 4 hour event, that just isn't going to happen. With the name of the show, what did you really think was going to happen??? On the other hand, you want real "Run want you Brung" racing, come to Kershaw. If you are faster than me, Brian, Yancy or the other rednecks, then guess what, no one is going to argue with you when the results go up on our website. American Street Car Series doesn't care what you bring to race, we just want to see you race. Come show us how fast U R. Are YOU IN or are you just posting to post? Anyone can hammer a keyboard, however, time for the BS to stop and let the times tell the tale. No producer or cameras in April, just rubber and gasoline.

If you are not referencing the show, please put your other events in this forum.....Events Forum

Thank you

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
2/27/13 1:28 p.m.
Cotton wrote:
dean1484 wrote:
BillHowell wrote: we don't discriminate.
Ya... . Sure.. . . What ever you say.. . . The host was definitely not an equal opportunity bigot.
Do you get this upset when TG UK makes fun of Americans? I take it as what it is....a TV show, but that's just me.

Actually yes that annoys me to the point of changing channels some times but at least they have Hammond to balance it out and annoy Clarkson with nascar and mustangs.

@ Bill I read it as if you were talking about the show. Sorry.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
2/27/13 1:43 p.m.

@ Bill

Jeepers man you were the one that started this thread. You asked us to watch and comment. What is the matter are my comments a little to close to the truth? Sorry if it hurts. I call it like I see it. I am to dam old to sugar coat anything and play the PC game.

As for your series. It is not in the cards. I hung up my racing sneakers 10 years ago. I had to make a choice that involved peoples lives and mine. And shortly there after I had to steam clean what was left of a friend out of his wrecked car so his widow would not have to see / smell it when she viewed the car.

My track days are over.

BillHowell
BillHowell New Reader
2/27/13 2:38 p.m.

WOW, I didn't realize I was back in high school and was breaking the rules. I am good with the comments, but Jesus Christ couldn't please some here. It is a tv show, It is real racing and my point about the track day at Kershaw was to prove it. Anyone there knew it was real racing, sorry if you could tell that from the tv show, but I don't have to defend what I know is the truth, believe what you like. Dean I am 55 myself, so my track days are limited also and my skills are certainly not what they used to be. I don't mind trash talk about how much better or how much cheaper or how much whatever you are than me. However, this isn't my first rodeo on forums either and I have found that most of the trash talk comes from those that have one excuse or another why they can not come out and play. Dean for you to say you can't/don't/retired from play is fine, but don't sit there and say in the same breath it was not real, you, my friend, with all due respect are wrong. If you detest the show that much, Jeepers, find something else to watch. And, for what it is worth, I didn't start this thread, found it several weeks after it started. Yamaha, thanks for being the Forum Five 0. Now I know the rules, you can ticket me next time. If you would have read the forum, I was not pumping my event, trust me, I don't need the help. I was simply telling a couple previous posters that they could come out and prove they were quicker than some of us. As for the Hairy chest comment , the answer is no, but sad you even were interested. I do have a pot belly though just FYI.

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
2/27/13 2:42 p.m.

Ok you've swayed me. You've made me think that the show is awesome.

I'm seriously bummed about the non-hairy chest, by the way. It was more fun to read your posts thinking about a ginormous man with a bunch of chest hair poking out of the collar of his shirt.

Or wifebeater.

Would this be classified as an import or domestic?

BillHowell
BillHowell New Reader
2/27/13 2:56 p.m.
Swank Force One wrote: Ok you've swayed me. You've made me think that the show is awesome. I'm seriously bummed about the non-hairy chest, by the way. It was more fun to read your posts thinking about a ginormous man with a bunch of chest hair poking out of the collar of his shirt. Or wifebeater. Would this be classified as an import or domestic?

Don't know, don't care, how is that? Looks certainly redneckish enough. needs beer cans as velocity stacks if you really want redneck, IMO. Paint job would certainly fit the stereotype. The guy with the RX7 was disqualified for having an LS. Personally I think he was just on the wrong team. He is at NASA events all the time and very fast car. I have several friends with the same setup and love those cars. I want to do a 240Z with an LS, where would I be then? I am too old and too NON PC to be a yuppie or tuner for that matter but I love fast fun cars, regardless of name on fender. Sorry I can't help you on the wife beater thing, or the hairy chest thing, it does concern me though that you seem to like those.

yamaha
yamaha SuperDork
2/27/13 2:57 p.m.

In reply to BillHowell:

No offense, as I hate rule nazi's, but it was confusing even myself.

I might consider in the future one of these events, as I think outside of the theatrics of the show, you guys are probably normal.

oldsaw
oldsaw PowerDork
2/27/13 3:01 p.m.
BillHowell wrote: WOW, I didn't realize I was back in high school and was breaking the rules. I am good with the comments, but Jesus Christ couldn't please some here. It is a tv show, It is real racing and my point about the track day at Kershaw was to prove it. Anyone there knew it was real racing, sorry if you could tell that from the tv show, but I don't have to defend what I know is the truth, believe what you like.

Bill, you're not back in HS nor are you "breaking the rules".

This thread-topic is focused towards a "reality-show" that has little to do with your personal business interests. Yeah, you participated in a cable show that manipulated rules, entrants and results to fit a commercially viable agenda. So what?

If you really want your business to thrive, please be more careful and attentive towards those who might want to enjoy more track-time instead of those who sit at home, watch AYFTaR, and feel entertained.

docwyte
docwyte HalfDork
2/27/13 3:02 p.m.

Bill, does this make my Porsche an import or a domestic? Come out to play with me in Colorado!

Swank Force One
Swank Force One MegaDork
2/27/13 3:03 p.m.
BillHowell wrote:
Swank Force One wrote: Ok you've swayed me. You've made me think that the show is awesome. I'm seriously bummed about the non-hairy chest, by the way. It was more fun to read your posts thinking about a ginormous man with a bunch of chest hair poking out of the collar of his shirt. Or wifebeater. Would this be classified as an import or domestic?
Don't know, don't care, how is that? Looks certainly redneckish enough. needs beer cans as velocity stacks if you really want redneck, IMO. Paint job would certainly fit the stereotype. The guy with the RX7 was disqualified for having an LS. Personally I think he was just on the wrong team. He is at NASA events all the time and very fast car. I have several friends with the same setup and love those cars. I want to do a 240Z with an LS, where would I be then? I am too old and too NON PC to be a yuppie or tuner for that matter but I love fast fun cars, regardless of name on fender. Sorry I can't help you on the wife beater thing, or the hairy chest thing, it does concern me though that you seem to like those.

So if the Import owner with a Domestic engine was disqualified.... how's about the Domestic car with an Import engine? Bonus points if said Domestic car came with an Import engine from factory?

"Fazdas" seem like they'd be a big problem for the show.

I never said i LIKED wifebeaters or hairy chests... that's an assumption you have made.

But in the end, i'm just yanking your chain.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
2/27/13 3:19 p.m.

Bill.
All I / we have to go on is what was put on the screen and it did not depict real racing. There was just to much stacking of the deck to make any of it a real race. I cannot debate / argue what I don’t know and what was not shown on TV. You could tell me that when the cameras went dark there was some fantastic race that ended in a photo finish and the two drivers then got out and duked it out on the start finish line. IT still does not change anything. What you have to realize is that what happened off camera or what ended on the cutting room floor does not contribute to the quality of the TV show. It was cut. In the eyes of the viewing public it never happened. It sounds like some really good quality stuff was dumped in favor of some stuff that probably should not have stayed in the show or the show should have been expanded to an hour. It sounds to me like you got screwed. I think you should be the producer next time. I am betting it would have been a much better show. But for now my assessment of it stands.

Ohya what do my ability's with respect to driving have to do with the show? If you can not put up then shut up? Sorry it does not work that way. Everyone who took the time to watch the show can comment. Those that took the time to watch it at your invitation you should expect comments. Do you really mean that only people that can "put up" are entitles to comment on your show?

I would love to come down and blast around the track again. May be it is time to get my but back in the driver’s seat and on the track. But that has no bearing on commenting on your show.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
2/27/13 3:24 p.m.
yamaha wrote: .. .. as I think outside of the theatrics of the show, you guys are probably normal.

He he he.. . .. Normal? If anyone ever calls me that I know I am doing somthing wrong. This is GRM after all. LOL

Bill, You sound like a great guy. None of this is personal. I hope you understand this.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
2/27/13 3:25 p.m.

@ Doc,

That is what my 924s wants to be when it grows up.

BillHowell
BillHowell New Reader
2/27/13 3:25 p.m.

@ Yamaha, Yes, you would find us very much normal. We were only there for the fun. We all pretty much still have our teeth and everything.lol @oldsaw, I cater to both, but prefer conversation and action at the track. We have a blast where ever we go, hopefully we will meet you somewhere. @docwyte, I hope it makes your car more reliable and faster. nice setup. That is what I have in mind with an old 240. Another car I would love to do that to would be a XKE coupe. how much fun would that be??? @swank, but you were all focused on it... no problems here. I may ask my wife to beat me but that is a whole different forum...haha

wbjones
wbjones UberDork
2/28/13 11:19 a.m.
BillHowell wrote: April 20-21 is Detroit Speed Southern Slam and you can bring your import, we don't discriminate. for more info, check out under 2013 events on my website... americanstreetcarseries dot com.

Bill, I looked at your rule set, and while I'd love to see those cars of yours run .. even to get a chance to be on track with them ... I can't see purchasing a set of tires for just one track session .... by that I mean all I own are 140 tw used exclusively for a-x .... ( not going to use them up for a track weekend ) otherwise I'm on DOT R-comps ( Hankook Z214 C51's)

might come down anyway just to see the cars ... I've seen some of them at one of our a-x's ( Z-Max dragway last summer ) they truly are some awesome cars

BillHowell
BillHowell New Reader
2/28/13 4:00 p.m.
wbjones wrote:
BillHowell wrote: April 20-21 is Detroit Speed Southern Slam and you can bring your import, we don't discriminate. for more info, check out under 2013 events on my website... americanstreetcarseries dot com.
Bill, I looked at your rule set, and while I'd love to see those cars of yours run .. even to get a chance to be on track with them ... I can't see purchasing a set of tires for just one track session .... by that I mean all I own are 140 tw used exclusively for a-x .... ( not going to use them up for a track weekend ) otherwise I'm on DOT R-comps ( Hankook Z214 C51's) might come down anyway just to see the cars ... I've seen some of them at one of our a-x's ( Z-Max dragway last summer ) they truly are some awesome cars

I understand and there will be others there with less than TW200 tires running that weekend. That is fine with us, we just separate you guys with <TW200 into a different run class so we know at the end of the day who was on R compound tires. It will disqualify you from the overall win and OUSCI invite but come on and have fun with us. The RUFTAR show had the same requirements and BFG gave everyone a legal set of tires so that would not be a factor. We all know, as racers, that tires make a huge difference on the track and are a good equalizer when HP differences are present. Come on to the event, we would love to have you.

BillHowell
BillHowell New Reader
2/28/13 4:17 p.m.

Guys, after our spirited conversations yesterday, I talked to one of the guys with the production company and asked him if he would write me up a little explaination and background about their intentions, ideas and reasoning behind the show. Maybe as you read through this, you can get an idea of what they had planned and executed during the taping and cutting of the series. Also, keep in mind, you have seen 2 of 8 shows, so maybe it will come together more as you see more of the episodes. SO, the following quote is from an executive of BCII, the company that produced not only R U faster than a Redneck, but other shows you know, like RIDES, Overhaulin', Hot Rod TV, OUSCI, and many other cool shows......

AN OPEN LETTER to the Classic Motorsports / Grassroots Motorsports community:

Dear CM and GM forum posters

First of all, THANK YOU all so much for watching RU Faster than a Redneck and giving it a try. We truly appreciate your passion for racing. The fact is, that's what this show has always intended to be about - the ultimate water cooler argument of who is faster...muscle cars or imports.

As you rightly say, the notion of 'who is faster' is much more complicated than just putting two unlike cars on the track together. But please don't confuse that with whether or not the racing was 'real' vs. 'fixed' or 'staged'. The fact is, the racing was 100% real, under a controlled structure that I'm happy to explain here.

First, we put out a call across the country for import cars/drivers to compete. Obviously when you have a NEW show that no one has ever seen/heard of, the first casting call is not huge. But we did get over 200 submissions and narrowed it down from there. We had all of them show up at the track on the same day so we could interview them, get them to sign releases, and then put them on the track so we could make sure they were a) safe and b) get a sense of how fast they could turn a lap.

Prior to their arrival, we assembled our MULLET MAFIA team and brought them all in for lap testing...again, for safety and timing.

Now, we have good lap times on everyone and can do a much better job of matching up competition to make the races exciting. For the qualifying rounds, we tried to create good matchups, but we also needed to have good 'variety' of cars. The fact was, we had some 'sandbagger' contestants who were actually must faster during qualifying round racing then they were during testing...what a shocker eh? And similarly, we had some fast contestants from testing who ended up not being nearly as fast when put in a wheel-to-wheel environment. After all, no one wants to wreck their car! And we had some pretty darn SLOW contestants show up - but we didn't want to tell them NO you can't be on the show just because they were slow. We wanted to give everyone a shot...and so sometimes we pulled out some strange Redneck vehicles to race with - just to make it fun and more competitive. You'll see this later in the season. And so, these circumstances gave us contestants that weren't always who we 'thought' we would get through to the semi-final round. And that's racing!

For the semi-finals - as you can see from the show - we gave each contestant 3 cars to choose from (or two if you pick second). We tried to give them three cars / three drivers to choose from that were all different in performance capability to see whether they could figure it out or not. But of course the contestants had to choose...some chose WISELY and some chose POORLY. But in each case, THEY CHOSE - we did NOT fabricate the choices at all! When you're giving away prize money, you can't do that. We nicknamed it 'pick your poison' and we really like that part of the show. It gives the contestants a VERY IMPORTANT choice to make that can mean the difference between winning and losing.

For the Final $10,000 money race, WE choose who they race. Now, this may be the part where you all say 'see - it's rigged'. But the fact of the matter is, you still have to run the race. And in several instances over the season, you will see people lose or win that may NOT have been what WE hoped would happen. We want to make it REALLY HARD to win - after all, it's $10,000. So anyone coming to the track should expect to have to race a really good car if they make it to the final. We don't think there's anything unfair about that. We want there to be a David vs. Goliath feel - like the old American Gladiators sports show. The Gladiators were always bigger, stronger and faster - but sometimes they get beat! We also want it to be exciting - and we thought Kenny Wallace in the Trans Am vs. the Lambo was really exciting. Howard (the contestant) did a great job and we still hear from him today about how it was the 'most fun he's ever had behind the wheel'.

As far as the title of the show and the comedy with Jon Reep and such, it's designed to be fun. The fact is, our Mullet Mafia is made up of some of the top Pro-Touring drivers and builders in the country, and they're all from the South. Over the years filming them on RIDES and HOT ROD TV and THE OPTIMA ULTIMATE STREET CAR INVITATIONAL, we've come to love these guys and we love making fun of their redneck accents and behavior. So we thought we'd use that for the hook - we realize it's not funny to everyone, but it makes us laugh. And it's real - these are the guys. Your friend Bill here lives in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee! Really! Bottom line - they are all 100% committed to building and racing American street cars. It's what they do and they do it really well.

Getting Ken Squier was really the big win for us. We are HUGE Ken Squier fans, and when we explained the show to him, he said 'it sounds like fun...as long as the racing is real.' He's a real race fan - he still has a small circle track that he owns and operates and he just loves racing. He spent so much time with the drivers, getting to know them, being able to speak about them on camera - it was really great. And his calls of each race were shot LIVE as they races happened. They were NOT pre- or post-recorded. He's taken a lot of grief from some NASCAR fans for doing this show, but he's been telling all of them that this is REAL racing and that he will always support home track and amateur racing - as he's always done and continues to do. God Bless Ken Squier.

Anyway, thanks for listening, thanks for reading and thanks for watching We really appreciate all your support and we hope you'll continue to watch and encourage your street car racing community friends to join us on the track soon!

Gearheadotaku
Gearheadotaku GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
2/28/13 7:42 p.m.

I've watched and enjoyed the show. The best thing about it? it's on a road course, not a drag strip. Lets see who can drive, not just spend money on a big motor!

No race short of a very tightly controlled spec series is going to be completely "fair". You can't tell me that every spec Miata is exactly the same. One guys got a 150,000 mile junkyard motor and the other has buys a fresh rebuild every year.

Having two completely different cars with "amateur" drivers is part of the fun. The red necks blow it in the first corner several times, some of the import guys hang tough and make a good race out of it with cars that cost 1/2 as much. Most these guys need to drive them home and to work the next day! Thats racing. Thats guts. Thats fun! I'd happily go on the show but I drive an American car and team redneck is full right?

Was there a general casting call for the rednecks, or just the import guys?

It would be fun to see a full-on Turbo Miata from Flyin' take the challenge... Will the show go to a different track each season? I'd like that.

Remember, it's tv. The first rule is to be entertaining.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
2/28/13 8:26 p.m.
Gearheadotaku wrote: The best thing about it? it's on a road course, not a drag strip. Lets see who can drive, not just spend money on a big motor!

Egads, really?!? I take it you've never actually drag raced competitively, driven a sub-10-second car, or fought a car on a low-traction track. Saying drag racing isn't racing or doesn't take driver skill is a total BS statement.

wbjones
wbjones UberDork
2/28/13 8:39 p.m.

I wouldn't take much skill to drag race mine .. ... 100hp FWD and an open dif ... very easy to drive

fast_eddie_72
fast_eddie_72 UltraDork
2/28/13 9:00 p.m.

Speaking of drag racing, anyone else kinda hooked on "Pass Time"? It's a game show at a drag strip. The contestants ask a few questions then have to guess the quarter mile time. Simple and fun. I'm not a drag racing guy, but having fun watching the show. Always some interesting cars. Kinda makes me want a bracket car.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
2/28/13 9:04 p.m.

Javelin,

This thread has been a bit of a train wreck as it is (I have been a big contributor). The last thing we need to do is start at it about drag racing and road course racing. Hell lets toss in drifting to the mix just to really get people agitated LOL.

My point is (I will use nascar as an example) if some one is a NASCAR bash-er no matter what you say to them they are 99.9% of the time still going to hate it. It does not matter if you explain the talent needed or engineering behind it. There minds are made up. Same for those that like / hate road-course versus drag-racing and you can toss oval racing hatters in the mix as well.

But hay since I took this thread places it should probably not have gone why not stir the pot and get the drag racer hatters all fired up. I can not wait to see where this is going to take us.

dean1484
dean1484 GRM+ Memberand UberDork
2/28/13 9:07 p.m.

Ohya. I have done all three kinds of racing (but never got in the 10's) and I like them all so I am not help to anyone here. LOL

wbjones
wbjones UberDork
2/28/13 9:12 p.m.
BillHowell wrote:
wbjones wrote:
BillHowell wrote: April 20-21 is Detroit Speed Southern Slam and you can bring your import, we don't discriminate. for more info, check out under 2013 events on my website... americanstreetcarseries dot com.
Bill, I looked at your rule set, and while I'd love to see those cars of yours run .. even to get a chance to be on track with them ... I can't see purchasing a set of tires for just one track session .... by that I mean all I own are 140 tw used exclusively for a-x .... ( not going to use them up for a track weekend ) otherwise I'm on DOT R-comps ( Hankook Z214 C51's) might come down anyway just to see the cars ... I've seen some of them at one of our a-x's ( Z-Max dragway last summer ) they truly are some awesome cars
I understand and there will be others there with less than TW200 tires running that weekend. That is fine with us, we just separate you guys with <TW200 into a different run class so we know at the end of the day who was on R compound tires. It will disqualify you from the overall win and OUSCI invite but come on and have fun with us. The RUFTAR show had the same requirements and BFG gave everyone a legal set of tires so that would not be a factor. We all know, as racers, that tires make a huge difference on the track and are a good equalizer when HP differences are present. Come on to the event, we would love to have you.

Bill, I've been looking at the web site ... I saw the reg. and price .. but no mention of how many sessions on Sat , and no mention of how long the sessions are ... is there a standard or does it change depending on how many are there ?

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