In reply to maschinenbau:
That about sums it up. 
In reply to maschinenbau:
That about sums it up.
Chadeux wrote: I was aware there were some differences between the GN and TTA's V6 but didn't know the details. I still think I'd start with a 3800 from a 4th gen if I was going to build one.
So would I. The Series II block is like a mini-LS, lots more metal and in better places than the old '109 and modern sealing technology too. And a much better oil pump. And cam/crank sensors. (GN cam sensors are recently NLA, to boot)
Downside: You're on your own for cranks and rods, none of the GN stuff will fit since the deck height is lower, and 1-piece rear seal vs. 2-piece on the GNs. And if the block truly is better than the '109 (seems to give up around the 900-1000 crank HP level, unaware of any Series IIs being pushed there yet), there's no sense in not upgrading the rotating assembly.
In reply to M030:
Far as I'm aware, 3rd/4th gen rears will (pretty much) bolt right into each other. One thing to watch for is 3 channel vs 4 channel ABS, 3 channel cars will have the speed sensor on the pinion I think, 4 channel have one at each wheel. 4 channel 4th gen cars should be those equipped with traction control, no idea what the ABS situation is on the third gens.
You need parts? I have a complete 4th gen Z28 I'm parting out. Have a set of Koni shocks, Strano springs, stock set of V8 springs (plus I think an additional pair of rear springs), stock z28 sways, 35mm UMI front sway bar, 24mm rear bar off a third gen, LS1 front brakes, complete set of braided stainless lines...those are just the more appealing things off the top of my head. Will offer steep GRMer discount
In reply to Knurled:
Are you trying to say the guy with the Turbo AWD Blazer treating L67 long blocks as a consumable isn't running a very good racing program?
In reply to Furious_E:
I would be very interested in the Koni shocks and Strano springs. How many monies are we talking?
I am not looking for a CAM car but if I was I think I would look at this.
1998 Camaro supercharged GTP engine
Supercharged 3800 and 5 speed.
The seller claims interest in an auto trans car for his wife to DD. I wonder if she would enjoy a rust free Infiniti Q45 with about 70k miles on it? Maybe I should inquire.
In reply to JohnRW1621:
Nice! I think you need that. 
Chadeux wrote: In reply to Knurled: Are you trying to say the guy with the Turbo AWD Blazer treating L67 long blocks as a consumable isn't running a very good racing program?
Well, if he can get 'em cheap and doesn't mind changing 'em out, that's up to him.
BIG difference between stock castings/forgings and aftermarket, and rods, and cranks...
Furious_E wrote: In reply to M030: 4 channel 4th gen cars should be those equipped with traction control, no idea what the ABS situation is on the third gens.
I'm 99.9% sure that third gens did not have ABS.
Nick (Bo) Comstock wrote:Furious_E wrote: In reply to M030: 4 channel 4th gen cars should be those equipped with traction control, no idea what the ABS situation is on the third gens.I'm 99.9% sure that third gens did not have ABS.
Even the last ones? I would have guessed by '92 all GM cars would have had their famous anti-stop brakes.
Streetwiseguy wrote:Nick (Bo) Comstock wrote:Even the last ones? I would have guessed by '92 all GM cars would have had their famous anti-stop brakes.Furious_E wrote: In reply to M030: 4 channel 4th gen cars should be those equipped with traction control, no idea what the ABS situation is on the third gens.I'm 99.9% sure that third gens did not have ABS.
And, according to Alldata, I'm wrong. No ABS in a 92 Camaro.
In reply to Streetwiseguy:
Yep, I think '93 was the first year for ABS in the F-body.
The 3rd and 4th gen rears sort of interchange. They have the same ring/pinion etc but the axle tubes/shaft in the 4th are 2" longer. It will bolt up, but you may run into clearance issues with the wheels.
Moving the torque are mount off the trans is a good idea, you can fab one up or buy a new crossmember. I have one on my 3rd and was suprised by the difference.
Knurled wrote:Chadeux wrote: In reply to Knurled: Are you trying to say the guy with the Turbo AWD Blazer treating L67 long blocks as a consumable isn't running a very good racing program?Well, if he can get 'em cheap and doesn't mind changing 'em out, that's up to him. BIG difference between stock castings/forgings and aftermarket, and rods, and cranks...
I remember reading in his thread that he refuses to rebuild one of those engines because of how cheaply he can replace them. He just pulls another FWD L67 long block, puts ARP head steals and MLS head gaskets in and chucks it in the truck. My thought is that if stronger pistons were available, he wouldn't have to do this nearly as often. I also think they could be, depending on how serious the Pontiac GTP and Regal GS crowd is/was.
How would swapping the drivetrain out of this into an s10 go? Might be kinda cool and ls swap this.
Streetwiseguy wrote:Streetwiseguy wrote:And, according to Alldata, I'm wrong. No ABS in a 92 Camaro.Nick (Bo) Comstock wrote:Even the last ones? I would have guessed by '92 all GM cars would have had their famous anti-stop brakes.Furious_E wrote: In reply to M030: 4 channel 4th gen cars should be those equipped with traction control, no idea what the ABS situation is on the third gens.I'm 99.9% sure that third gens did not have ABS.
this surprised me.
In reply to Bobzilla:
Me too. I thought some sort of ABS was universal at GM in '92. Maybe it was '93 was the first year, then.
I sure as E36 M3 know my 92 doesn't have ABS.
Us third gen owners don't need that nanny ABS crap...
Sent you a very brief note regarding my 3rd Gen race car, challenge priced and well built
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/201x-classifieds/82-3rd-gen-camaro-race-car-for-sale/125282/page1/
Knurled wrote: In reply to Bobzilla: Me too. I thought some sort of ABS was universal at GM in '92. Maybe it was '93 was the first year, then.
Thinking back on it, GM made ABS standard on the body style changed. Trucks went in 88 (rear ABS), B-bodies in 91, F-bodies in 93. The only exception to that rule was the C4 which got it in 88, but that was also a suspension change year with new arms, knuckles and bearings (which would make adding ABS sensors easier).
If I deal seems too good to be true, it probably is. I learned today why my Camaro was so cheap: I put it on the lift, I revealed that it needs rear floors and every brake line in the car. The floors are actually pretty cheap, as replica replacements are already being produced in the aftermarket. Still, that rust I missed knocked the wind right out of my mullet-daydream powered sails
Bah, It's really not bad at all. Super fixable rust that seems isolated to those two areas. Brake lines are accessible and good practice for the kids. Road teat was fun, I was sideways 80% of the ride. Fun stuff.
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