Somebody's going to prison/fall on sword...

Takata Discovered Airbag Problems in 2004, Destroyed Data

Takata Corporation, the Japanese airbag manufacturer at the center of a 17-million-vehicle worldwide recall for airbags that may shoot deadly metal debris in an accident, has always maintained that it first discovered the problem in 2008.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/honda-taking-heat-for-hiding-deaths-injuries-from-exploding-airbag-recalls/

WHOOPS

I like the idea that if you hit something you are punished by a mine in your steering wheel.

In reply to Wally:

Takata shares your belief.

It's all a government conspiracy for population control. We need congressional hearings to determine when the president and attorney general knew and who gave the order to destroy evidence. We demand action on this now!

Whew, that's a mess.

I think the falling on a sword comment is spot on.

Seppuku. Ritualistic disembowlment. Takata will love it.

Falling on your sword is a European thing. The Japanese have seppuku.

Those green Takata belts are going to become a valuable classic part...

Edit: D'oh, narrowly beaten.

Appleseed wrote: Seppuku. Ritualistic disembowlment. Takata will love it.

If I remember correctly. I think the standard procedure is for the person to plunge the sword (actually normally the smaller "house sword") into their abdomen, give it a nice pull to the side while someone stands over them with a sword ready to cut their head off. How bad an offense that has been committed determines how long the second guy waits to cut his head off.

aircooled wrote:

Appleseed wrote: Seppuku. Ritualistic disembowlment. Takata will love it.

If I remember correctly. I think the standard procedure is for the person to plunge the sword (actually normally the smaller "house sword") into their abdomen, give it a nice pull to the side while someone stands over them with a sword ready to cut their head off. How bad an offense that has been committed determines how long the second guy waits to cut his head off.

I've read the "cut the head off" guy is also supposed to prevent the "disembowlee" from screaming, which somehow ruins the whole thing. At the point where my head was cut off, I'd assume I wouldn't care, but maybe its some sort of "transition into the afterlife" thing.

Guess we can check one more thing off the "we've never talked about _______" list for the GRM message board.

aircooled wrote:

Appleseed wrote: Seppuku. Ritualistic disembowlment. Takata will love it.

If I remember correctly. I think the standard procedure is for the person to plunge the sword (actually normally the smaller "house sword") into their abdomen, give it a nice pull to the side while someone stands over them with a sword ready to cut their head off. How bad an offense that has been committed determines how long the second guy waits to cut his head off.

People obviously had a great deal more will power in ancient times. I've run a pocket knife thru my palm and based on that agonizing experience - I'm tellin' ya - there is no berkeleying way I'd stick a house sword in my own guts, on purpose, no matter how many people my steel shot filled airbags maimed or how much honor I needed to pretend to care about.

The 2nd guy with the two handed sword could stick it in there after giving me a quick and painless end if it made him feel better.

So I'm patiently waiting for the masses to disembowel Honda now that they knew there was a problem and covered it up just like they did with GM. I mean, GM's igintion switch would just turn off. THis shot hot metal bits at high velocities into your body.

The GM issue was much worse. When my ignition goes off it kills the radio. I can't drive without my radio

In reply to Wally:

E36 M3... I forgot that. And kills the bluetooth. Should have known better. My bad.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:

aircooled wrote:

Appleseed wrote: Seppuku. Ritualistic disembowlment. Takata will love it.

If I remember correctly. I think the standard procedure is for the person to plunge the sword (actually normally the smaller "house sword") into their abdomen, give it a nice pull to the side while someone stands over them with a sword ready to cut their head off. How bad an offense that has been committed determines how long the second guy waits to cut his head off.

People obviously had a great deal more will power in ancient times. I've run a pocket knife thru my palm and based on that agonizing experience - I'm tellin' ya - there is no berkeleying way I'd stick a house sword in my own guts, on purpose, no matter how many people my steel shot filled airbags maimed or how much honor I needed to pretend to care about. The 2nd guy with the two handed sword could stick it in there after giving me a quick and painless end if it made him feel better.

I'm not sure that decapitation is an instant death. There is evidence that one remains conscious, as a disembodied head, for ten seconds or so.

I suspect its closer to 2 seconds. That's the amount of time it takes someone to go into GLOC (when they pull too many G's). Might be a bit slower though since the blood is not being forced away, just leaking.

(fun conversation btw )

Forget swords, why has no one suggested death by 1,000 airbags for the purps? Let them be disembowled by their own metal weilding airbags, sort of like Russian Roulet, how many air bags before one kills you?

JamesMcD wrote: I'm not sure that decapitation is an instant death. There is evidence that one remains conscious, as a disembodied head, for ten seconds or so.

How the berkeley do we know this stuff. Did someone offer to try it and report back?

Did any of these end up in American cars? And is there a list of cars that have these in them?

kazoospec wrote:

aircooled wrote:

Appleseed wrote: Seppuku. Ritualistic disembowlment. Takata will love it.

If I remember correctly. I think the standard procedure is for the person to plunge the sword (actually normally the smaller "house sword") into their abdomen, give it a nice pull to the side while someone stands over them with a sword ready to cut their head off. How bad an offense that has been committed determines how long the second guy waits to cut his head off.

I've read the "cut the head off" guy is also supposed to prevent the "disembowlee" from screaming, which somehow ruins the whole thing. At the point where my head was cut off, I'd assume I wouldn't care, but maybe its some sort of "transition into the afterlife" thing. Guess we can check one more thing off the "we've never talked about _____________" list for the GRM message board.

The second has to be someone trusted. Complete decapitation would be a disgrace and negates the face-saving procedure in the first place. He has to go through the spinal column but leave something attached.

dean1484 wrote: Did any of these end up in American cars? And is there a list of cars that have these in them?

Just a few! BMW: 627,615 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2000 – 2005 3 Series Sedan
2000 – 2006 3 Series Coupe
2000 – 2005 3 Series Sports Wagon
2000 – 2006 3 Series Convertible
2001 – 2006 M3 Coupe
2001 – 2006 M3 Convertible
Chrysler: 371,309 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2003 – 2008 Dodge Ram 1500
2005 – 2008 Dodge Ram 2500
2006 – 2008 Dodge Ram 3500
2006 – 2008 Dodge Ram 4500
2008 – Dodge Ram 5500
2005 – 2008 Dodge Durango
2005 – 2008 Dodge Dakota
2005 – 2008 Chrysler 300
2007 – 2008 Chrysler Aspen
Ford: 58,669 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2004 – Ranger
2005 – 2006 GT
2005 – 2007 Mustang
General Motors: undetermined total number of potentially affected vehicles
2003 – 2005 Pontiac Vibe
2005 – Saab 9-2X
Honda: 5,051,364 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2001 – 2007 Honda Accord)
2001 – 2002 Honda Accord
2001 – 2005 Honda Civic
2002 – 2006 Honda CR-V
2003 – 2011 Honda Element
2002 – 2004 Honda Odyssey
2003 – 2007 Honda Pilot
2006 – Honda Ridgeline
2003 – 2006 Acura MDX
2002 – 2003 Acura TL/CL
2005 – Acura RL
Mazda: 64,872 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2003 – 2007 Mazda6
2006 – 2007 MazdaSpeed6
2004 – 2008 Mazda RX-8
2004 – 2005 MPV
2004 – B-Series Truck
Mitsubishi: 11,985 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2004 – 2005 Lancer
2006 – 2007 Raider
Nissan: 694,626 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2001 – 2003 Nissan Maxima
2001 – 2004 Nissan Pathfinder
2002 – 2004 Nissan Sentra
2001 – 2004 Infiniti I30/I35
2002 – 2003 Infiniti QX4
2003 – 2005 Infiniti FX35/FX45
Subaru: 17,516 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2003 – 2005 Baja
2003 – 2005 Legacy
2003 – 2005 Outback
2004 – 2005 Impreza
Toyota: 877,000 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2002 – 2005 Lexus SC
2002 – 2005 Toyota Corolla
2003 – 2005 Toyota Corolla Matrix
2002 – 2005 Toyota Sequoia
2003 – 2005 Toyota Tundra

Edit. Stupid stupid stupid forum software does not recognize return and blurrrrs lines together. Please give me 1994 and WYSIWYG

Adrian_Thompson wrote: Forget swords, why has no one suggested death by 1,000 airbags for the purps? Let them be disembowled by their own metal weilding airbags, sort of like Russian Roulet, how many air bags before one kills you?

JamesMcD wrote: I'm not sure that decapitation is an instant death. There is evidence that one remains conscious, as a disembodied head, for ten seconds or so.

How the berkeley do we know this stuff. Did someone offer to try it and report back?

Through an experiment done on a criminal executed by guillotine. He seemed to remain conscious for about 30 seconds:

http://www.executedtoday.com/2008/06/28/1905-henri-languille-a-man-of-science/

I recently bought a 2004 BMW 330i and called the dealership to inquire about having the airbag replaced. The cheerful woman who answered the phone was happy to report that they would log my name and number and gladly call me back as soon as parts were available, as no parts are available anywhere in the US or Germany. Before I could even ask "how long", she volunteered that they have no idea and suggested I call back in 3 weeks if I have heard from them by then.

I can tell you between the airbag inflators and the seatbelts we're replacing, upscale Hondars don't seem like a safe place to be.

JamesMcD wrote: I'm not sure that decapitation is an instant death. There is evidence that one remains conscious, as a disembodied head, for ten seconds or so.

Grammatically-correct use of the word "disembodied" FTMBW.

The equivalent to Seppuku in modern Japan is for the company to deliver a public apology in a very grim press conference to all those harmed or shamed by the company's actions and then for the CEO to resign. It is symbolic rather than actual suicide.