dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/16/08 10:44 a.m.

I need some advice.

My Challenge Miata has H&R springs with KYB AGX's. For some reason, the resulting ride height is lower in the front by almost 1.5 inches. That's not all bad, except that the wheel and tire combo I'm using rubs the fender slightly at the top. One option we are considering is the use of spring spacers, solely to pick up some ride height in the front.

Does anyone have any experience or recommendations on this topic?

sachilles
sachilles New Reader
9/16/08 10:56 a.m.

The get used all the time in the off road world....they call it a budget boost. I would expect a substantial difference in handling between the two setups. Can you roll the fenders to allow for clearance?

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
9/16/08 11:00 a.m.

Any chance you have the springs reversed front to rear?

MrJoshua
MrJoshua SuperDork
9/16/08 11:36 a.m.
sachilles wrote: The get used all the time in the off road world....they call it a budget boost. I would expect a substantial difference in handling between the two setups. Can you roll the fenders to allow for clearance?

The companies all sell "lowering springs" as a selling point, but the closer to stock height we are shooting for is considered optimal for cornering in the miata world.

David S Wallens said:Any chance you have the springs reversed front to rear?

I'm pretty sure we have them in right, but we will double check.

Apexcarver
Apexcarver SuperDork
9/16/08 12:14 p.m.

i have been thinking about the rubber spacers that get placed between coils of the springs for my E30. The Intrax springs are just a wee bit low in the front for my taste.

anyone ever use these?

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/16/08 12:50 p.m.
sachilles wrote: The get used all the time in the off road world....they call it a budget boost. I would expect a substantial difference in handling between the two setups. Can you roll the fenders to allow for clearance?

We are absolutely going to roll them, but might still need a little more height.

Like Apexcarver, what I'm thinking of is basically a poly (or some like material) donut that would ride at the bottom of the spring or between the lowest coils. Doesn't NASCAR use some sort of similar device?

Or something like what is called a spring isolator here? http://www.energysuspension.com/pages/sboots.html

Gimp
Gimp GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/16/08 1:48 p.m.

They do make coil spring spacers. I (gulp) used them once on my Camaro after I dropped the V8 in (V6 springs). I got them at Pep Boys. Drove on them forever and they never came out.

sachilles
sachilles New Reader
9/16/08 1:52 p.m.

If the rear hasn't been lowered, then it makes sense to put them in to get the car back to standard height. If the rear lowered then its a whole different ball game. I

44Dwarf
44Dwarf Reader
9/16/08 6:29 p.m.

Well my dwarf rides on 1 7/8 coil overs as spacers i use PVC pipe cupplers (2 inch i think) i had to file out the raised ring in the middle but they work great so good most of the guys i race with use them now. My motorcycles have used PVC pipe to set preload and sag for years.

44Dwarf

dyintorace
dyintorace GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
9/16/08 6:45 p.m.
Gimp wrote: They do make coil spring spacers. I (gulp) used them once on my Camaro after I dropped the V8 in (V6 springs). I got them at Pep Boys. Drove on them forever and they never came out.

Music to me ears.

Thanks.

procainestart
procainestart HalfDork
9/16/08 6:59 p.m.

Depending on the suspension type, the shim height will not be equal to the change in ride height. For example, on my double-a-arm car, a one-inch shim raises the car 2 inches. I sketched this on graph paper with a set of multiple triangles because I didn't believe it when I was told it, but that's how it worked out.

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/16/08 11:58 p.m.
procainestart wrote: Depending on the suspension type, the shim height will not be equal to the change in ride height. For example, on my double-a-arm car, a one-inch shim raises the car *2* inches. I sketched this on graph paper with a set of multiple triangles because I didn't believe it when I was told it, but that's how it worked out.

I think the Miata is a 1:2 ratio for shock travel to wheel travel but I could be wrong. Where's Keith when you need him?

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
9/17/08 12:16 a.m.
thatsnowinnebago wrote: Where's Keith when you need him?

Targa Newfoundland.

thatsnowinnebago
thatsnowinnebago GRM+ Memberand Reader
9/17/08 2:20 a.m.

Oh yeah. Go Keith!

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