Tau 4.6 rebuild options - Genesis / Hyundai V8

Hi, everyone. I have a 2011 Genesis sedan with engine troubles.

Hyundai lists rebuilt and replacement engines as NLA in the catalog. I guess they exhausted their service replacement supply.

I'm getting a $17k quote to rebuild the engine. Can anyone tell me whether this seems in line? I generally trust my dealer, the number just surprised me.

Our car has very low miles for the year, currently at 26k approx., so finding a used engine with similar mileage will be a needle in a haystack. I'm not categorically opposed to a used engine but don't see a benefit to an engine with multiples of miles compared to the car itself.

Our aftermarket warranty will cover the cost of a rebuild, up to the retail value of the car, so at $17k I'll be out of pocket about $5k.  That is a pretty big number (but doable), but stings a bit given I paid a premium for the car, it had 17k on the odometer early this year.

Any info on ballpark rebuild prices, leads on replacement engines, or insights generally are welcome.

Tom

I mean, other than a rod through the block, what's wrong with it that requires entire engine replacement?

17 grand for a frickin' engine? That's astronomical!

I'll rebuild that engine for 2grand less, and STILL rip you off. 

That's the old, "We don't want this job, so here is a ridiculous quote."

How can Hyundai not be covering the entire cost of a replacement engine at 26,000 miles?

MSRP for a complete engine assembly, when they were available, was $17k but widely discounted to $12-13k. 

I feel a little like Seth with his AMG engine, except with a warranty situation to sort out, haha. 

The VVTI variable valve timing assembly failed. The dealer planned to just replace them, plus the timing chain and guides (7k) but they found metal in the pan. I’ve seen a picture but didn’t see what the metal was.  It’s small, like grains of rice. No telling what it is. 

I don't want to get into whether the engine really needs a full rebuild or not.  Some dealers are happy to build big warranty bills, other times the bill is just big. I don’t know which is the case here and they haven’t torn down the engine to get to the bottom of it yet. 

In reply to ebonyandivory :

Because 8 year old car?

That is astronomical; probably more than the vehicle is even worth - which is sometimes a bad idea to  use, but at $17k it sure isn't. 

I'm also skeptical that it needs a full engine rebuild. What went wrong?

Was the aftermarket warranty purchased through a Hyundai Dealership? I'd be calling up Hyundai USA and  having them get you a 5.0 tau since they don't have any of the 4.6's.

This is what you expect from BillyBobs corner lot, not a Hyundai dealership. 

Does Hyundai not sell individual engine parts separately (like crank rods, head, etc) and allow techs to rebuild them at the dealership? 

So is none of that covered in their long ass warranty? 

A few things: if it's 8 years old, and under 100k, then it's covered. Period. 
 

second, the "complete engine" shouldn't be needed. You would only need the long block, which should be available. Go to a different dealer, these guys are hacks. 
 

did you tell them you had an aftermarket warranty? if you did, you done effed up. The service dept will see that as a cash cow, like what hospitals do with health insurance providers. 

That seems absolutely insane. I would go up the management chain and try to get some customer service discount.

For that price you could pay a custom shop to LS3 swap it.

NAPA Ironclad lists it for $6,726.00 with a $450 core.

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/ATK275

2002maniac said:

That seems absolutely insane. I would go up the management chain and try to get some customer service discount.

For that price you could pay a custom shop to LS3 swap it.

Or buy enough beer to get a bunch of GRM members to come over and LS swap it, turbocharge it, and put box flares on it, with 15 grand left over. 

I'm also curious why you aren't having this fixed under the original Hyundai powertrain warranty?

slowbird said:

17 grand for a frickin' engine? That's astronomical!

Go read Seth's r63 thread. 

If he did not buy the car new or CPO, the warranty is 5-60, which has been exceeded.

conesare2seconds said:

The VVTI variable valve timing assembly failed. The dealer planned to just replace them, plus the timing chain and guides (7k) but they found metal in the pan. I’ve seen a picture but didn’t see what the metal was.  It’s small, like grains of rice. No telling what it is. 

I don't want to get into whether the engine really needs a full rebuild or not.  Some dealers are happy to build big warranty bills, other times the bill is just big. I don’t know which is the case here and they haven’t torn down the engine to get to the bottom of it yet. 

Okay, GM has a similar thing, where if you pull the cam actuator solenoid valves and find metal filings in the screens in them, GM tells you just to put a whole engine in it, because at that point those metal filings are likely everywhere in the engine and you can't guarantee you'll get every passage clean for it to not fail again.

ProDarwin said:

If he did not buy the car new or CPO, the warranty is 5-60, which has been exceeded.

Gotcha, I didn't realize the 10/100k was for the original owner only. 

z31maniac said:

ProDarwin said:

If he did not buy the car new or CPO, the warranty is 5-60, which has been exceeded.

Gotcha, I didn't realize the 10/100k was for the original owner only. 

New or CPO. Aftermarket warranties suck balls and usually arent worth the paper they're printed on. 

Other option: Buy used 5.0 install and call it a day. 

Mndsm said:

slowbird said:

17 grand for a frickin' engine? That's astronomical!

Go read Seth's r63 thread. 

Yeah, but this engine is not handbuilt by a guy named Klaus

Hi.  You are correct, we are the second owners, so the factory powertrain warranty doesn't go to 10/100.  I don't think a 5.0 is an option because it changed to DI from port injection.  I expect the heads are different. 

Yeah, the build quote is *huuuge* but there aren't indy shops that know much about them, unlike specialist shops for Audi or Benz for example.

Thanks for the NAPA tip.  I found remans from Summit as well, long block for $6,164 plus $400 core.  Their suppler is VEGE Remanufactured engines, based primarily in Europe and Asia but supposedly with US distribution. 

The choices seem to be:

• used engine with higher miles than the chassis;
• rebuild by Hyundai dealer for $17k; or
• reman long block from NAPA or Summit. 

I'm leaning toward a long block at this point.  The aftermarket warranty will cover any of the above.  They all have potential drawbacks of course.  I really, really want to like Genesis cars and this failure is apparently rare, but the limits of a small sold car base/service replacement inventory give me pause. 

Blue book for a Genesis sedan of similar mileage is only $15k...

That sucks, I feel for you.

It sounds like if the aftermarket warranty will pay for a reman long block installed with no out of pocket from you, that's the route I would go.  I wouldn't sweat a used engine with more miles very much if it's reasonable, but would feel better about an outfit that does remans and I would hope has some quality processes in place to make sure they have a decent product.

I can't see any way that it makes sense for you to spend $5k out of pocket to get a dealer to rebuild your engine.  There pretty much 0% chance they have ever done that before, so who knows if they would do a quality job even with the best intentions.