ProDarwin wrote: Do you have evidence she was going that fast? That certainly doesn't look like a 60mph collision. Not even remotely close.
Was going to say this as well but forgot. Both cars in my accident came out WAY worse.
ProDarwin wrote: Do you have evidence she was going that fast? That certainly doesn't look like a 60mph collision. Not even remotely close.
Was going to say this as well but forgot. Both cars in my accident came out WAY worse.
Not sure about part out just yet. All depends on insurance offer. Part of me thinks this is the chance to spend money on a clean Comanche shell and just dump everything i can salvage from this XJ into it. Or an old Gladiator.
Or maybe i should just get another XJ because both of these have treated us really well.
Or step up to a Land Cruiser.
Or... because i'll be working from home by the end of the year, switch it up and get the GT/Comfy sports car for SWMBO to take our trips in? 350Z and IS300 on my radar.
Keith Tanner wrote: "Pain and suffering" is not something you'll get from your insurance company. You'll have to make a lawyer rich instead. Make the world a better place, let it go and concentrate on the Jeep instead. Let the cops press charges if there are charges to press, but if she didn't lock up the brakes and leave some nice long skidmarks that's not going to happen.
Keith. I felt the same way you did until someone rear-ended my wife. She was sitting in a left turn lane whae someone wondered out of his lane and nailed her car. She is still deal with the effects of it.
It took a couple of months of trying to deal with the insurance company and a wife who was in serious pain before I realized that without a good lawyer we were on a path to get berkleyed by a well organized insurance company.
Having been through this process, here is my advice.
Lawyer-up NOW! Get an MRI, X-rays and anyother medical tests to document her condition NOW!
If it doesn't show up in a medical test, it doesn't exist as far as the law is concerned. The good news is she is healing. The bad news in the window to be able to get her injuries documented is closing. Don't wait 'til next week. Do it NOW!
Elvis, one of our shop cars, came to us with frame damage including wrinkles in the fenders. $400 on a frame machine and the wrinkles even pulled out when everything was back into shape.
Atomic Betty was a salvage car, it required some frame massaging as well.
A good frame guy is a wizard.
Swank Force One wrote: Keith and Cotton: I wouldn't have thought of that, frame damage is a scary and unknown thing to me. My neighbor works at a body shop, does the frame work. I'll see if he can take a peek at it tonite and see if it's worth fixing. My problem now is that the only straight panels on the rig anymore are the doors. Everything is buckled. I'm guessing a LOT of time on the rack, and that might get me a jeep that drives straight but still looks like total hell. I'm not really interested in that sort of thing anymore for my DD.
Yeah my 944 Turbo still looked like hell. After the frame work it still needed both quarters repaired (the semi that hit us smashed them), rear bumper, rear tail panel and tail lights, and drivers door, then a paint job. In the end I should have parted it out...live and learn. After it was all fixed it drove great, but I ended up selling it anyway.
If I had that Jeep and buy back was reasonable I'd get the frame right and make an offroad toy, keep it as a parts rig for my other cherokee, or part it out.
Problem is that it's my DD and i don't have room for a dedicated off-road toy, and there's not much there i can use for spares for the blue one.
We'll see what the buy back is going to be. Buddy wants it for parts/donor and i'd just as soon see him get it for buy back price than it die forever.
I'm glad your wife is (mostly) OK!
It looks like the unibody of your XJ absorbed all of that energy. That being said, I'm not sure if you can pull a unibody back into shape on a frame machine.
Sucks about the rarity of your XJ. They sure didn't make very many 2 door, 4x4 5 speeds of the 21 million XJs produced. I looked for one for forever and found like 3 in the entire country 
I like your determination though for trying to get the insurance company to find you another one 
I'm using the word "frame" interchangeably with "unibody" because I'm lazy. Both of my examples were of unibody cars.
Next door neighbor is the frame guy at a local collision place. His exact words were "No way in hell will this ever be right again."
This thing is bent all the way up to the rain rail.
Find the commanche. Post build thread.
Swank Force One wrote: Next door neighbor is the frame guy at a local collision place. His exact words were "No way in hell will this ever be right again." This thing is bent all the way up to the rain rail.
What's his definition of "right"? I guess that would be my question. I was super picky when I had mine work on to the point we considered replacing that portion of the unibody. In the end they got it to spec without the need to go that far. Of course I still had to fix the rest of the car which may be his point.
They would have to cut and splice he says. And really the bodywork alone is pretty gnarly the more you look at it. I can't believe the rear windows didn't pop. They're sitting a good 2" out in the back. The entire truck is bent up in the middle. It accordianed.
I'm a little surprised it drove home as well as it did, with only bad noises from the leafs binding up.
I was rear ended last August. Immediate pain in my neck, but otherwise ok. Fast forward 2 months, pain not going away in spite of physical therapy. In January I had surgery to remove a damaged disc and fuse the vertebrae at C4/5. As a result of the surgery I have lost my singing voice and have difficulty swallowing. Make sure your wife is checked out thoroughly and consult a lawyer. Insurance companies will deal much better with a lawyer than with you. Good luck and I hope your wife is ok.
I barrel rolled 3x in an early Cherokee at 65mph (they don't stay upright when hit in back corner) back in high school. Very solid truck.
Hope she is okay.
If the Caravan was going 65mph, it would be caved to the windshield. She was driving without due care and attention, so she should get a ticket, and there is very little doubt the fault will primarily lie with her. There is also a better than average chance your wife will be considered partly at fault, because she hit the car in front of her. Yes, I know, that's berkeleying stupid. You are dealing with an insurance company.
Now go find the numbtard that stopped for the geese and beat them with a big damn stick.
Really sorry about the Cherokee, and DEFINITELY get your wife checked out down to the molecular level, but can we also get a moment of sympathy for the guy with the Lincoln? His car looked pretty nasty too.
Police report clearly states that the Lincoln was hit only because the Cherokee was pushed into it. Think we're clear there.
Shame. I liked that truck.
Hope everyone involved in the wreck is ok. If I was in your position and needed another SUV, I would vote Land Cruiser/LX470.
I hate to canoe, but I was rear ended last November and im going to the doctor FINALLY this week after months of pain and weird cracking in my neck..how berked am i in terms of insurance payout but more importantly my neck being back to normal? Ie it hurts doing under dash work after 5min of holding my neck up bad...
mndsm wrote: Shame. I liked that truck.
Me too. This isn't how i thought it would go. Figured the end would have started with me yelling "Hey ya'all watch THIS!"
ptmeyer84 wrote: Hope everyone involved in the wreck is ok. If I was in your position and needed another SUV, I would vote Land Cruiser/LX470.
Everyone seems to be ok. Passenger of the lincoln was taken away in amberlamps, but i'm pretty sure she was just milking the situation from what SWMBO says. SWMBO is in a bit more pain than yesterday, has an appt in 30 minutes.
Not sure what to replace this thing with yet. It's a real bummer, and depends solely on insurance payout. I can't afford to put any money out of pocket into replacing this at the moment.
Police report slip given to us is through www.buycrash.com where you get to pay $12 to print out your own damn police report. berkeley that. Looks like i'm going to the station tomorrow.
I'm a little leary already, there are only two drivers on the report, at least showing on the site. If they split this into 2 or 3 incidents i'm going to be mad, because then it's going to show that the Jeep rear ended the Lincoln, and who knows if it'll say anything about the Caravan.
Maybe the person in the caravan DID yell that?
Nevermind i sucked it up and paid the $12.
We're good. All four vehicles are on it, and it plainly states that the van hit the jeep that was stopped, and jeep was pushed into lincoln, lincoln pushed into Altima.
Too late now, but I was going to tell you to wait on the report. I got at least 3 copies of the police report from the ambulance chasing lawyers that all mailed me about 3 days after I got rear ended in our old Jetta. I had 15 or so law firms and/or chiropractors send me letters, and several included a copy of the report.
On a crash like that, who is at fault depends on state laws. In Florida, the guy at the end of the pileup is at fault.
My wife was in an accident like that a few months ago. She was not given a ticket and our insurance (State Farm) had to take care of her car, as the guy that hit her was not the owner of the car and did not know if he had insurance or not.
Having been in a hit and run before, I took pics of all cars tags and VIN numbers when I got there. The State Farm guy that helped me was able to get all the other guy's insurance info.
From this episode I learned to always try and avoid with Mercury insurance. Seven months later I am still waiting for my deductible to be refunded and they dont even pick up my phone calls.
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