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Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/24/08 5:17 p.m.

What do you do when you get your LS1 Miata running happily for the first time on Thursday? You take it to the track on Saturday of course. What else do you do with it?

The car spent more time on the track than any other. Lap times were in the 1:06 range, which is faster than all but three of our guests at the recent FM Open House. Bill got lazy when driving it and just stuck the transmission in 3rd, letting the torque take care of all the hard work. Meanwhile, I spend most of my laps tickling the rev limiter repeatedly in 2nd.

Mechanically, it was almost perfect. It threw the power steering belt at one point (Miata pump mounted to the LS motor) and that was it. Cooling (96F on a short, hot little track that had most other cars begging for mercy) was not a problem at all.

I think we'll keep it. And now I'm thinking my MGB GT needs an LS1, not a 302.

Video! http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Flyin-Miata-LS1-V8-Video_178991.htm

neon4891
neon4891 Dork
8/24/08 5:37 p.m.

very nice

atlantamx3
atlantamx3 Dork
8/24/08 5:39 p.m.

Yes, Please.

MCarp22
MCarp22 New Reader
8/24/08 5:58 p.m.

It doesn't sound very high strung. I'd have expected a bit more, well, urgency in such a lightweight car.

Volksroddin
Volksroddin Reader
8/24/08 6:10 p.m.

needs a roll bar, but very cool.

ZOOMiata
ZOOMiata GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/24/08 6:20 p.m.

I was kind of hoping for a colossal, tire-scorching burnout down the straight. Was I the only one?

Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed New Reader
8/24/08 6:40 p.m.

Hmmmmm......I like it. Hows the handling with that big lump up front?

pigeon
pigeon New Reader
8/24/08 6:46 p.m.

Niiiiice! I too was thinking tire-scorching burnout would be appropriate, but I know the FM guys would never indulge in that sort of hooliganism...

Do you have a functioning tach and speedo? Not that you'd need either on that particular car if kept as a track toy, but I'm just curious, as I thought I saw needles on the dash flopping around wildly at one point.

Keith, the Featured Reader's Ride happens to be your Targa special at the moment. Thinking about dropping an LS1 into that now? Then again, power isn't the most important thing at Targa Newfoundland. I know last year's winners through the local BMWCCA chapter, and crushed the times of the winning 2002 "Woodstock" several times in my street-tired, 170k-mile box stock E46 328i at autocrosses, and I'm not that good of a driver.

Scott

dculberson
dculberson New Reader
8/24/08 8:40 p.m.

Well, dammit Keith, that got my heart racing just from the video. I love it, and predict good sales. How much is a turnkey installation in a customer's Miata, approximately? (Assume LS1, CTS diff, kit all provided by FM.)

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/24/08 10:00 p.m.

Bill was being a wuss when driving - he said he was shifting at 5500, when he bothered to shift at all. The fact that he had it stuck in 3rd through some very slow parts of the track does take a bit of the edge off the motor really. The average speed on his fastest lap was about 45 mph. It's a very slow track, and I tend to only hit third in two spots. My third gear is also much lower than his - I run a 4.10 final drive while the V8 car has a 3.42. So it's definitely not being worked as hard as it should. Hopefully Bill will let me sneak out to the track some day this week and lay down some fast times with it. I know the track pretty well :)

Because of the slow speeds on this track, we use autocross tech rules. After all, our top speed is less than is allowed in a fast autox course. There's some rollover protection on the car, but I'd prefer something a little beefier myself. It'll happen.

It does look as if the speedo isn't working quite yet. Before going to the track, the extent of all testing the car had received was driving it to the alignment shop and back. The LS computer will be driving the speedo, so it's just a matter of a missing wire if it's not done yet. I haven't actually driven the car yet so I can't comment - and we'll debrief Bill as to any oddness in the car when he gets to work tomorrow. It does look as if the tach is twitching at one point.

Tire-smoking burnout? Not on the brand new Nitto NT01s, please :) We'll put something a little cheaper and closer to expiry on there first.

Big lump? The conversion picked up under 200 lbs from the naturally aspirated version of the car, 1/3 of which landed on the rear wheels. We have less than 53% of the car's weight on the front wheels. So it handles kinda like a turbo Miata, which has a very similar weight distribution. Even with Bill's lazy driving, the car was turning appropriate times for a well-driven turbo Miata. Once he starts using that lever between the seats (or gives me the keys so I can do it!), I'd expect to see some very competitive times.

Given that I'm leaving for the Targa in under two weeks, I think I'll stick with my current motor :) My car did go around the track faster than all other Miatas (turbocharged or otherwise) at the Open House so it's capable. It's also in a much lower class than the LS car would be - I'm in Modified, it would be in Unlimited. So I'd have to go faster to make the same times, and it's unlikely that a lack of horsepower will be my biggest concern! But when I get home...well, I'd have to say the thought has crossed my mind even if my Targa car's motor is a real sweetheart.

We've been getting a lot of interest in turnkeys. Now that we have this car up and running, we'll figure out reasonable numbers. I'd expect it to be price competitive with a built engine and turbo kit, possibly a bit more due to the new rear end. The biggest problem is that there are no baby steps. With a turbo Miata, you can start off easy with a basic turbo kit, then add the ECU (or vice versa), then build the engine, etc. With the V8 swap, it's all or nothing.

pigeon
pigeon New Reader
8/24/08 10:22 p.m.
Keith wrote: Given that I'm leaving for the Targa in under two weeks, I think I'll stick with my current motor :)

Good luck! Where will we be able to follow your progress? If your route takes your near Rochester, NY PM me and I'll give you my cell # "just in case".

Scott

MitchellC
MitchellC Reader
8/24/08 10:29 p.m.

Hearing those sounds coming out of that car blows my mind a little.

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/24/08 11:06 p.m.

It's really weird seeing the car drive by on the road. There's nothing at all from outside that indicates the V8. Not even a dual exhaust. The noise just doesn't match.

Scott, you can follow along at http://www.targamiata.com. I'm not sure if I'll be running through Canada (the 401, aka the Mulsanne Straight of North America) or going south of the lakes on the way out.

kcbhiw
kcbhiw Reader
8/24/08 11:09 p.m.

I've been pondering a V8 conversion for the old Challenge Miata. I've been following the build on the FM site and the vid just adds fuel to the fire.

Thanks, as if I didn't have enough projects already ;).

nderwater
nderwater New Reader
8/24/08 11:34 p.m.

so, so hot. i almost can't believe you guys waited so long to do this!

ZOOMiata
ZOOMiata GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/25/08 5:14 a.m.
Keith said:Scott, you can follow along at http://www.targamiata.com. I'm not sure if I'll be running through Canada (the 401, aka the Mulsanne Straight of North America) or going south of the lakes on the way out.

Just remember that Ontario has a new "street racing" law -- exhibitions of speed, travelling 50km/h or more over the limit, or anything else that catches the eye of an officer gets your car impounded on the spot for seven days. You arepresumed guilty.

Twin_Cam
Twin_Cam Dork
8/25/08 10:03 a.m.

Wait, it's the future...I see...

...that engine sprouting a twin-screw supercharger!

Even without a supercharger, that car is disgusting. I really want one.

petegossett
petegossett GRM+ Memberand Dork
8/25/08 10:17 a.m.

I'm impressed by the suspension on there too. Very flat & seemingly composed cornering. I know he wasn't pushing it too far though.

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/25/08 10:25 a.m.

Actually, that particular suspension (JIC FLT-A2) is very happy on the track and has fairly high spring rates. It's not my favorite setup, but it's at its best on track.

Future plans for the car? First off, find out what it can really do on the track and try a couple of different suspension options. Then we stick in the LS6 cam, reflash the ECU and install Corvette coil covers - that'll apparently bump up the power by nearly 100 hp. Ahh, the joys of giant American engines with all sorts of untapped power. We once documented a 40 hp gain on a Ford engine by changing the air filter.

ZOOMiata, thanks for the warning. Given the fact that I'm towing a trailer and paying for the gas, 150 km/h isn't liable to be a big attraction :) I was paraphrasing an old Car and Driver article. The 401 is easy travel, that's one thing I like about it.

Rogue
Rogue None
8/25/08 1:41 p.m.

So, Elvis has left the building!

dculberson
dculberson New Reader
8/25/08 2:36 p.m.

"Corvette coil covers" - Ahh, that's the secret. Who knew that a plastic cover could give you so much horsepower??

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
8/25/08 4:17 p.m.

It works off the same principle as red brake calipers.

jgp1843
jgp1843 HalfDork
8/25/08 4:54 p.m.

(ahem) my red brake calipers are solely to relieve the total grayness of the MR2 -no performance advantage claimed (on the other hand, I suppose they could be a psych-out weapon - nah, transponders don't psych out).

They's just for pretty.

NOHOME
NOHOME New Reader
8/26/08 6:57 a.m.

I am with you on the LS1 MGB GT thing. There have been a few built now and the consensus is that they are no worse thn the 302 was back when they were novel.

I already have the 302 for my GT. But when I start to think about the LS1, it starts to look anemic.

Plus the 302 has been done to the point where there is a kit coming out this fall.

Good luck on the Targa. It has been a dream of mine since the first one when only 39 cars showed up. I hope they are doing a bit better.

joey48442
joey48442 Dork
8/26/08 10:11 a.m.

So, the 2300 dollar kit, does that include the driveline kit and the kit for installing an engine? Or are they two separate kits?

Joey

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