Those who know, Porsche 996 questions

wearymicrobe wrote: Sorry 60K for a GT3 996 is way to much money especially when for 20-30K more you can get a fantastic 997 GT3. The 996 Turbo is better in every single way then the GT3 on the street. Plus it is faster on the track in equal hands. The motor is more reliable and you know the history of the car you have in your hands.

I really want a 996 turbo in the future. I have done some searching because I also would like to use it for autocross and maybe a track day or two but I have had a hard time finding information on making them setup for it. All I read is "turbo lag" and "understeer" on the topic.

Do you have any good examples/vendors/places for more info on setting them up/driving them on the track?

and looks like it sold but I just saw a nice 2007 (so 997?) GT3 for sale for 75k

I know where my heart goes on this one. GT3 all the way.

Jaynen wrote:

wearymicrobe wrote: Sorry 60K for a GT3 996 is way to much money especially when for 20-30K more you can get a fantastic 997 GT3. The 996 Turbo is better in every single way then the GT3 on the street. Plus it is faster on the track in equal hands. The motor is more reliable and you know the history of the car you have in your hands.

I really want a 996 turbo in the future. I have done some searching because I also would like to use it for autocross and maybe a track day or two but I have had a hard time finding information on making them setup for it. All I read is "turbo lag" and "understeer" on the topic. Do you have any good examples/vendors/places for more info on setting them up/driving them on the track? and looks like it sold but I just saw a nice 2007 (so 997?) GT3 for sale for 75k

The only ones I see run autocross are the regular 911s and the GT3s. Everyone I know that has driven the Turbo say they understeer like pigs and there is a lot of money in making them not understeer. I've actually seen many 911s and several GT3s (996 and 997) running autocross, but I've never seen a Turbo.

I disagree. The 996 GT3 is the most analog of all the GT3's. It has no electronic aids save ABS. It's a completely raw car, it's the first GT3 the USA got and there aren't that many of them with low mileage and no body damage.

In 2010 they were mid $40's. You can't touch a good one for less than high $50's into the high $60's. A wrecked but rebuidable one sold for $53k at RennSport just recently.

These aren't going down in value, neither are the 997 GT3/RS's.

If you want a comfy street car, it's the TT. If you want a track car, it's the GT3.

Jaynen, go to Rennlist and look in the 996TT section, pleny of info there on how to prep them for TT. Basically it's throw at least $10k at the car to get GT3 brakes, control arms, suspension, etc, etc.

Here's the solution.......

Gut the tt, then you have the light/raw gt3 vibe with the turbo power and traction. You'll be 100 times more connected, and involved, and it'll feel more special every time you drive it. Best of both worlds. If at this point in my post, you're thinking "but Carbon, it'll be loud and uncomfortable" then there's your answer about the gt3 anyway.

A low mileage 996 GT3 is a 6 figure car these days. 997 GT3RS's are going for 180-250. With the new 991 GT3 available only with PDK gearbox, the three pedal GT3's have gone up in price.

I've driven 996TT and 997.2 GT3 and they are just totally different cars. I'd not want to daily drive a GT3 -- it is loud, rough riding, and gets way too much attention on the road. That said, it is an absolute beast on the track -- simply amazing. The TT is a great GT car, lots mid-range grunt, but not really a track focused car.

I'd take the GT3 in a heartbeat, store it during winter, and get a winter beater for DD duties.

DJM

djm68 wrote: I'd not want to daily drive a GT3 -- it is loud, rough riding, and gets way too much attention on the road.

This is what my friend that has one says, only the attention is almost universally negative. He is in his 30s and gets people randomly flipping him off.

He's never met me on the road then. Unless it's not the car earning the birds.

One of the guys at our mountain run last weekend was faced with a similar question last month...

his solution:

In reply to Mad_Ratel: That is sexy.

Keith Tanner wrote: He's never met me on the road then. Unless it's not the car earning the birds.

He's a nice guy. Says it surprises the hell out of him. People are just randomly flipping him off and saying negative things. I dunno if it's because he is young looking and driving a Porsche or what.

In reply to Harvey: It is, I am amazed at the petty responses some people have when you drive one, and mine costs about the same as a well appointed Camry.

On the other hand when I borrowed my uncle's Aston Martin V12 Vantage convertible all I got were remarks of astonishment when people saw me with the car.

In reply to Mad_Ratel:

Can't see the pictures. I want to see the pictures.

Harvey wrote:

Cotton wrote:

Nathan JansenvanDoorn wrote: Unless you bought an aircooled 911 a few years ago... They've definitely outperformed an S&P index fund!

Yeah I've had several car way out perform stocks over the years.

Which ones?

Porches have been the best so far, but a couple of my muscle cars have done well.

Cotton wrote:

Harvey wrote:

Cotton wrote:

Nathan JansenvanDoorn wrote: Unless you bought an aircooled 911 a few years ago... They've definitely outperformed an S&P index fund!

Yeah I've had several car way out perform stocks over the years.

Which ones?

Porches have been the best so far, but a couple of my muscle cars have done well.

What are the numbers like? Initial investment vs return, what sort of costs do you have in terms of maintenance, storage, restoration?

All this talk just makes me want a GT3 for fair weather DD and track days even more. My life is nothing to complain about, but it sure would have been even better if I had been born five years earlier. Low interest school loans, bargain air cooled 911s and cheap GT3s...sigh.

Harvey wrote:

Cotton wrote:

Harvey wrote:

Cotton wrote:

Nathan JansenvanDoorn wrote: Unless you bought an aircooled 911 a few years ago... They've definitely outperformed an S&P index fund!

Yeah I've had several car way out perform stocks over the years.

Which ones?

Porches have been the best so far, but a couple of my muscle cars have done well.

What are the numbers like? Initial investment vs return, what sort of costs do you have in terms of maintenance, storage, restoration?

I don't like getting into specific numbers on the internet really. I will say I've had several of these cars for well over a decade, along with stocks in various funds, and some of the cars really kicked the crap out of the market even taking into account repairs, maintenance, and insurance. I don't count storage.....because of my hobbies I am going to have a big garage anyway, so that's where the cars and other stuff go. Maintenance is no big deal, really you'd be surprised, but I don't drive my cars that many miles annually either. I have classic/collectible policies on most of our vehicles and those are cheap in comparison to traditional full coverage policies. I really wish I had known AC 911s, various high-end italians, panteras, deloreans, among others were going to hit so hard because I would have had a lot more fun buying cars! That being said very few seem to do really well riding the classic car markets and hitting it big, so for me it just continues to be a hobby and my retirement funds are where most sane people keep them.

Nick (Not-Stig) Comstock wrote: In reply to Mad_Ratel: Can't see the pictures. I want to see the pictures.

I'm way late here but

QUICK! Someone flip that guy off, post haste!