Time to buy a Nissan truck? (Cummins V8 Diesel content)

http://www.torquenews.com/1080/cummins-releases-details-new-v8-diesel-engine-be-used-nissan-titan

I'm assuming the "versital geometry turbo" is supposed to be "variable".

If they put it in their van, then I'm all ears. In the truck, not so much.

Just can't see spending that kind of cash on a Nissan...

Bad enough it is 25k for a diesel Cruze in auto only :sadpanda: or 34k-ish for a 3.0 Diesel Ram....

Nope, still a Nissan.

The 5.6 is already pretty beast (but with terrible MPG's), so this thing should be awesome! Now they need a dually and some better axles than those crappy base model Dana's!

For all that don't like the chassis it's going in, I expect we'll see that engine in other platforms....

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NV2500d

Ugly and diesel!

Isn't this the diesel engine that's been in development for over a decade that multiple car makers have refused to buy?

Chrysler was going to buy it before Fiat said no you're using our V6.

There is no point to this motor or truck IMO.

1/2 tons will never be rated to tow over 12,000lbs (apparently some of the 2014 models are rated for close to it ). At some point the truck simply doesn't weigh enough to tow that much. PLUS, I am expecting a bit of a downgrade in tow ratings when they go to the engineered test standard.

Point is, the 5.0L cummins is down on power and gets about the same mpg as the 3/4 ton pickups. People will see no reason to buy it as it will only get 1-2 mpg average better, but not be able to tow as much.

The 3.0L diesel Ram fills a niche (a large one at that, a good 25% average mpg boost over your typical 1/2 ton pickup which is good for many people). This truck does not.

HiTempguy wrote: There is no point to this motor or truck IMO. 1/2 tons will never be rated to tow over 12,000lbs (apparently some of the 2014 models are rated for close to it ). At some point the truck simply doesn't weigh enough to tow that much. PLUS, I am expecting a bit of a downgrade in tow ratings when they go to the engineered test standard. Point is, the 5.0L cummins is down on power and gets about the same mpg as the 3/4 ton pickups. People will see no reason to buy it as it will only get 1-2 mpg average better, but not be able to tow as much. The 3.0L diesel Ram fills a niche (a large one at that, a good 25% average mpg boost over your typical 1/2 ton pickup which is good for many people). This truck does not.

I must disagree, if only because I have time to kill while having a cup of coffee.

Weight of the tow vehicle has nothing to do with it. Its all about managing the torque so the driveline stays together. In B.C. a commercial truck can gross around 140,000 pounds legally. Most of those tractor units weigh around 12 to 14 thousand pounds.

The cummins V8 is down on power because it is a new engine and most likely detuned. The first B models were less than half the current rating. The main idea behind this motor I suspect is that the ISB is too long and difficult to package. This is the reason the Duramax and Powerstroke are V8's despite their inclination to make less torque. I am going to predict that the power jumps dramatically in a few years, that the motor shows up in 3/4 ton trucks(likely Nissans) and that they come out with a 6 liter to match the other two pickup V8 diesels.

bearmtnmartin wrote: Weight of the tow vehicle has nothing to do with it. Its all about managing the torque so the driveline stays together. In B.C. a commercial truck can gross around 140,000 pounds legally. Most of those tractor units weigh around 12 to 14 thousand pounds.

You aren't really trying to compare towing with a semi to towing with a truck... are you? Really?

There's a bit of a difference. Been there, done that. At the end of the day, having a heavier tow vehicle makes it easier for the masses to tow large loads. And personally, I don't want to see some wing-ding typical retard driver towing 14,000lbs with their 6000lb truck (my opinion).

DaveEstey wrote: Chrysler was going to buy it before Fiat said no you're using our V6.

And I got a ride in that truck yesterday, it was sweet. Sure I would rather have the I6 cummins but a medium duty truck that is full size and has 3L v6 turbo with ZF 8 speed is pretty good too.

And if thats not enough you can always get the big boy rams with cummins.

A lot of the 1/2 are limited by axle strength for weight of towing and cooling (oils/water)

also speaking of big rigs, Canada typically buys larger trucks because they have higher weight limits than USA for class 8. Also on that note, screw Quebec!

HiTempguy wrote:

bearmtnmartin wrote: Weight of the tow vehicle has nothing to do with it. Its all about managing the torque so the driveline stays together. In B.C. a commercial truck can gross around 140,000 pounds legally. Most of those tractor units weigh around 12 to 14 thousand pounds.

You aren't really trying to compare towing with a semi to towing with a truck... are you? Really? There's a bit of a difference. Been there, done that. At the end of the day, having a heavier tow vehicle makes it easier for the masses to tow large loads. And personally, I don't want to see some wing-ding typical retard driver towing 14,000lbs with their 6000lb truck (my opinion).

I am not sure I understand what the difference is. Towing is towing. If the trailer and tow vehicle are rated and speced correctly then one is no different from the other. And driver ability is an equally important factor regardless of the class of truck. But I must be one of those wing dings because I tow 14000 pounds plus with my pickup regularly. I have logged thousands of miles pulling a large machine behind my Dodge which I must say weighs 8000 pounds. All very safe and legal.

fidelity101 wrote:

DaveEstey wrote: Chrysler was going to buy it before Fiat said no you're using our V6.

And I got a ride in that truck yesterday, it was sweet. Sure I would rather have the I6 cummins but a medium duty truck that is full size and has 3L v6 turbo with ZF 8 speed is pretty good too. And if thats not enough you can always get the big boy rams with cummins. A lot of the 1/2 are limited by axle strength for weight of towing and cooling (oils/water) also speaking of big rigs, Canada typically buys larger trucks because they have higher weight limits than USA for class 8. Also on that note, screw Quebec!

The trucks are not larger, they are just speced heavier. And that relates to the driveline, not much else. The heavy haulers typically have 46000 pound rears and 18 speed transmissions, with heavier U loints and yokes. But other than that they are pretty much the same truck as those grossing 80,000 pounds.

bearmtnmartin wrote: But I must be one of those wing dings because I tow 14000 pounds plus with my pickup regularly. I have logged thousands of miles pulling a large machine behind my Dodge which I must say weighs 8000 pounds. All very safe and legal.

Congratulations on putting words in my mouth. You clearly have a 3/4 or 1 ton if you are towing that much with it legally. You just increased the weight of the vehicle I referenced by ~30%. It makes a big difference, same with the increased sizing of things like brakes, tires, general drivetrain/suspension, etc.

What vehicle did you reference? I do not know where your numbers came from but you seem to be saying that the weight of the tow vehicle must be some function of the weight of the load. I have merely pointed out that if there is a relationship, then pickup manufacturers have clearly not come close to it yet. 14,000 pound tractor- 140,000 pound load equals 10 percent. 6,000 pound pickup - 14,000 pound load equals 43 percent.

Forget all this towing crap. When are we gonna see the first Nissan with stacks?

In reply to bearmtnmartin:

all that is true yes and some you see with longer wheel base.

Also you can run tridems in BC.

bearmtnmartin wrote: The cummins V8 is down on power because it is a new engine and most likely detuned. The first B models were less than half the current rating. The main idea behind this motor I suspect is that the ISB is too long and difficult to package. This is the reason the Duramax and Powerstroke are V8's despite their inclination to make less torque. I am going to predict that the power jumps dramatically in a few years, that the motor shows up in 3/4 ton trucks(likely Nissans) and that they come out with a 6 liter to match the other two pickup V8 diesels.

The Cummins LDD has been lingering for a decade at this point. It is not a new engine, its just that no one was dumb enough to buy it.... until now. I'd personally rather have the VM 3.0L in the Ram having worked on, tuned, and driven both.

In reply to bearmtnmartin:

Down here heavy hauling means the return of 12v71TT detroit powered Kenworths and Petes......

Hitemp, comparing a half ton truck rated for 12k lbs towing 12k lbs to a semi tractor thats pulling what its rated to pull makes sense. Your opinion doesn't make a shred of difference on if its safe or stupid.

FWIW, I just rolled across the scales tuesday night with the farm's '99 F250..........total weight, 77k lbs. I'm not dead and we've done this relatively often every year since '99.....no issues.

In reply to yamaha:

Farm tags let you throw the book out the window in SC. My uncle regularly tows 40K+ pounds behind his Dodge.

In reply to Toyman01:

E36 M3, it has an Indiana "In god we trust" car license plate.......nobody gives a berkeley here

We towed Dad's tractor/trailer on the Sierra 65 miles round trip with no issues. Tractor alone weighed about 7k lbs, plus a 2k lb trailer. Truck weighs 5500lbs with the wife and I in the front seats. You just don't get in a hurry and plan ahead when driving.

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