Title says it all. Road going car in hillclimb.
Vid http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2169103/Miracle-escape-driver-terrifying-crash-hurtling-track-flipping-SIX-times-air.html#v-1721587323001
It's a good job he didn't have a full roll cage and no padding on the street though, or he'd have died before getting to the track. oh, wait a mo!
Holy berkelying e36 m3 - that's insane.
He gets a "10" for height, but a "1" for the landing...
Adrian_Thompson wrote: It's a good job he didn't have a full roll cage and no padding on the street though, or he'd have died before getting to the track. oh, wait a mo!
There aren't any DOT legal 5-points, so he'd have to be driving on 3-point belts or lap belts. Or, if the vehicle is a replica of something older than 1964, seatbelts aren't required in most states. At which point it would be legal to roll around with FIA/SFI/etc multipoint harnesses.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: Title says it all. Road going car in hillclimb.
Knurled wrote:Adrian_Thompson wrote: It's a good job he didn't have a full roll cage and no padding on the street though, or he'd have died before getting to the track. oh, wait a mo!There aren't any DOT legal 5-points, so he'd have to be driving on 3-point belts or lap belts. Or, if the vehicle is a replica of something older than 1964, seatbelts aren't required in most states. At which point it would be legal to roll around with FIA/SFI/etc multipoint harnesses.
First off that's England not America. Second when I moved here in 94 I bought a new SN95 mustang. By 95 it had a six point cage (no padding because I was young and stupid) plus used 5 point harnesses I bought out of the spares bin at Roush racing. I daily drove that and no one ever batted an eye at the harness or roll bar even on the occasions I had reason to discuss my rate of progress with michigans finest. In fact in the 21 years I lived here I've never met anyone in Michigan that has ad difficulty's with any authority's over any car mods. Full race harnesses with a cage. No problem. Living in an awesome state is awesome
In states with safety inspections like Vermont's it would need to meet federal guidelines. Therefore the release mechanism needs to have a safety orange or red button. This so rescue can find and release it if driver passenger is unconscious. All 3 point have this. Most 4 and 5 point do not.
In reply to Knurled:
I've never had a police officer inspect anything for DOT compliance notices/stickers. Not even motorcycle helmets. I seriously doubt this would come up unless the operator did something that caused a retaliatory "throw the book at 'em" effort to dig up every possible offense that could be documented.
In reply to vwcorvette:
Forgot about inspections as we don't have them where I've lived for the past 20 years, but that is a valid point.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: In fact in the 21 years I lived here I've never met anyone in Michigan that has ad difficulty's with any authority's over any car mods. Full race harnesses with a cage. No problem. Living in an awesome state is awesome
I find it funny that I was driving in Michigan with Ohio plates (I think that may actually constitute a felony ) and somewhere along the way the tip restrictor fell off of my exhaust, making my RX-7 go from loud to LOUD. And I was tooling along up I-69, going 80mph or so, passing traffic, and I check the mirror and all I can see is Dodge Charger grille.
Berkeley, Caltech, and MIT. E30, E46, and E36 M3.
So, I do what any sensible Ohioan does when being practically bump-drafted by a patrol officer: Keep on doing exactly what you were doing. So I keep buzzing along at 80mph. Maybe it was 85mph. To be honest I wasn't really looking at the speedometer much. I was focused on the contents of my rearview mirror, inspecting it intently for flashing-lights content. After a few hours' worth of seconds, on they came.
Loud exhaust. Not felonious speeding with intent. Sorry ossifer, I know it's kinda loud but I'm on my way to a rallycross - we set up a buncha cones in a field and have fun, that's why the back's all full of dirt tires and helmet and stuff - and with the weather being unseasonably warm nobody has salted the roads yet so I decided to take my baby out for one last fling this season before I had to put it up for the winter. Bam, there, admission of guilt, book it done.
"Well, I get where you're coming from. Here's your license and registration back. Have a nice day!"
vwcorvette wrote: In states with safety inspections like Vermont's it would need to meet federal guidelines. Therefore the release mechanism needs to have a safety orange or red button. This so rescue can find and release it if driver passenger is unconscious. All 3 point have this. Most 4 and 5 point do not.
I thought the thing was, with a 3 point belt, a responder can cut one belt anywhere and the person is free. You can't do that with a 5 point.
The DOT-legal 4 points that I have seen have a weak spot on one of the shoulder straps so it will stretch/yield/break and your body will rotate forward, allowing for an anti submarine effect the same way a 3 point works, without a need to anchor the lap belt with a sub strap. I consider those DOT-legal 4 points to be effectively 3 point belts because they allow you to move in a collision, by intent.
In reply to Knurled:
We won't hold your past against you, move north of the Boarder into a real state and we'll welcome you with open arms.
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
My family actually has roots in Detroit. My grandfather was born there. Michigan is just too damn flat and cold for me. I didn't really realize it until I did a lot of long distance driving, but the only flat ground in Ohio is a small patch of land in the Toledo area. And I feel cold if it's under 50 degrees and 90 degrees with full humidity feels nice and comfy for me. Just warm enough for me to take my jacket off, you know?
I'll grant that I like how in a lot of areas they don't even bother to plow and salt, they just grade the snow and call it good enough. Keeps cars from rusting. I like having ready access to clean 80s Japanese cars without having to drive to Methopotamia.
Knurled wrote: I thought the thing was, with a 3 point belt, a responder can cut one belt anywhere and the person is free. You can't do that with a 5 point.
In 22 years of responding to car accidents, I have cut approximately one seat belt. If you have to cut a seat belt, chances are that the belts is not the thing that's trapping the driver in the car. Usually, it's an ugly combination of legs and pedals. That takes a lot longer to get out of.
Woody wrote:Knurled wrote: I thought the thing was, with a 3 point belt, a responder can cut one belt anywhere and the person is free. You can't do that with a 5 point.In 22 years of responding to car accidents, I have cut approximately one seat belt. If you have to cut a seat belt, chances are that the belts is not the thing that's trapping the driver in the car. Usually, it's an ugly combination of legs and pedals. That takes a lot longer to get out of.
...Aand, the whole point of cam lock and to a slightly lesser degree latch-link multi point harnesses is that once you punch out, or someone does it for you, there's no long loops of webbing wrapped all around you.
I've practiced getting out of my race as quickly as possible. In the event I ever need out when it's on fire/under another car/in an impact zone it's nice to know it can be done in about 7 seconds. I saw inside the cockpit of an Indy Lights car not long ago (I managed to stay in front of it for a few laps as well) and it had lengths of surgical rubber tube attached between the harness latch tabs and the tub of the car. When you punch the buckle, the straps are gone.
Does anyone know if the Schroth FE cam lock works with their sub straps? Because if it does, the DOT argument is a moot point for 5-6 point harnesses: https://www.schrothracing.com/competition/comp-accessories/cam-locks
Okay.
WTF happened between picture 1 and 2? I feel like we are missing information.
Surgical tubing on harness straps is genius. I like it, except when I forget and lose teeth. Or the left chumpy.
In reply to Teh E36 M3:
Watch the linked vid. He goes off to the right +our left) hits the embankment and is bounced back across the track off the edge.
In reply to Knurled:
This is hilarious. You are describing (one of) the same complaints that we Michiganders have about Ohio. Driving south on I75 through Ohio makes Iowa look mountainous! Michigan on the other hand has lots of interesting topography and changing scenery.
There is hope for Jews and Muslims, Democrats and Republicans, pro an anti choice if an Ohioan and a Michigander can have a civil conversation
"And he's spun it completely and has come to an abrupt halt" - that announcer is really underselling it!
In reply to Adrian_Thompson:
That's the bit I was thinking of 
Never forget that the war between Michigan and Ohio was mostly fought with verbal taunting 
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