Toyota making a proper AE86 successor!

It's not April Fools this time!

under 2200lbs

130hp I4

$20k

http://www.motoring.com.au/news/2015/sports/toyota/86/toyotas-sub-86-baby-coupe-firms-51183

Hmm, the aggressive lines of the back end dont quite mesh with the soft, classic lines of the front end, methinks. But it would be cool if it makes it into production. Under 2200 lbs is pretty impressive for a modern car!

That's pretty much the Miata that I would like to own.

What are the chances that IS a miata?

hmmmm

I just got some inside word on the production version, which looks slightly different from the prototype shown in the link above:

OK, I really really hope that they do it. I'm slightly skeptical though.

The car in the link above is a GT86 Cb edition, not the actual car. They say the styling will be similar to the Cb's front end - as in, a modernized Toyota 800. I hope it won't be too feminine-looking.

It's hard to see how a Toyota 800 could be modernized...I think it will end up looking pretty different, like the new gullwing Mercedes vs. the original.

The front end looks like a 2000s era jag or older ugly tvr. But I can dig it. As good as the frs rear end looks id prefer them not to put it on every car but hey this is the answer to our answer. An answer with a solid roof.

Linky said: The test driver who will be responsible for fine-tuning the coupe’s handling is none other than former World Rally Championship star Tommi Makinen

sounds too good to be true

GameboyRMH wrote: The car in the link above is a GT86 Cb edition, not the actual car. They say the styling will be similar to the Cb's front end - as in, a modernized Toyota 800. I hope it won't be too feminine-looking.

Quoted for emphasis.

If it is true..........

It won't be sold in the US.

It won't come here. Here is why: My wife is looking at a new Outback. I was at a Subaru dealer just last evening. I asked the sales guy (who is also a acquaintance/friend of ours) to drive a BR-Z and he said Harr-dee har har, I just sold the last one we had two weeks ago to a guy in NY. It was a brand new 2013 that sat here forever and I let it go for $22k out the door to get rid of it. We won't be getting any more of those.

Dealers will tell Toyota to pound sand over a smaller, less powerful, niche market appealing car of the same type.

Love the idea, not so much the styling. But bring on the small fun cars!

I am skeptical of the price. The $20k is for the Australian market. The 2016 Miata, with broadly similar specs, in that market starts at $32,000 (a $15,000 drop from the NC!!!). Will Toyota be able to bring this to market for 65% of the Miata's price? Not in Small Sports Car volumes. The base Civic in that market starts at $21,000 and I'm pretty sure the volumes are a little bigger.

$29,995 AUD? Okay, that's potentially realistic.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: It won't come here. Here is why: My wife is looking at a new Outback. I was at a Subaru dealer just last evening. I asked the sales guy (who is also a acquaintance/friend of ours) to drive a BR-Z and he said Harr-dee har har, I just sold the last one we had two weeks ago to a guy in NY. It was a brand new 2013 that sat here forever and I let it go for $22k out the door to get rid of it. We won't be getting any more of those. Dealers will tell Toyota to pound sand over a smaller, less powerful, niche market appealing car of the same type.

I think the BRZ was just a phenomenally bad match to Subaru's brand/image. They already had a good sports car (the WRX/STI) and pretty much everything they sell is AWD and utility-oriented. Where was the BRZ supposed to fit in to that? How many people walked into a Subaru dealership looking for a practical sure-footed daily driver, like an outback or forester, and said "never mind, I'd like one of those tiny RWD two-door sports cars, please". Probably just Snoklewacker

I don't think these entry-level sports cars are such a bad fit for Toyota. At the end of the day, this isn't really about making lots of money anyway. Toyota surely knows that they're never going to have a sports car that's as good an earner as anything else they make, but they're desperate to change their image, and this is the way to do it.

JohnyHachi6 wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: It won't come here. Here is why: My wife is looking at a new Outback. I was at a Subaru dealer just last evening. I asked the sales guy (who is also a acquaintance/friend of ours) to drive a BR-Z and he said Harr-dee har har, I just sold the last one we had two weeks ago to a guy in NY. It was a brand new 2013 that sat here forever and I let it go for $22k out the door to get rid of it. We won't be getting any more of those. Dealers will tell Toyota to pound sand over a smaller, less powerful, niche market appealing car of the same type.

I think the BRZ was just a phenomenally bad match to Subaru's brand/image. They already had a good sports car (the WRX/STI) and pretty much everything they sell is AWD and utility-oriented. Where was the BRZ supposed to fit in to that? How many people walked into a Subaru dealership looking for a practical sure-footed daily driver, like an outback or forester, and said "never mind, I'd like one of those tiny RWD two-door sports cars, please". Probably just Snoklewacker I don't think these entry-level sports cars are such a bad fit for Toyota. At the end of the day, this isn't really about making lots of money anyway. Toyota surely knows that they're never going to have a sports car that's as good an earner as anything else they make, but they're desperate to change their image, and this is the way to do it.

I totally agree. Around here (Vancouver), there are quite a few FR-S's on the street but very few BRZ's. If someone wants to buy a Frisbee, they're heading to the Scion dealership, not the Subaru dealership. If I'm not mistaken, you're also paying a bit less money for an FR-S compared to a BRZ for what is essentially the same car.

if Toyota could fit some of the Prius' tech into it... a Hybrid sports coupe' would be a hoot and it would sell because it is "green"

belteshazzar wrote: sounds too good to be true

quoted for reality

but if serious about what that car is please let me fit, please let me fit, please let me fit...

In reply to mad_machine:

So you want a CR-Z? Those can be had cheappppp

mainlandboy wrote:

JohnyHachi6 wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: It won't come here. Here is why: My wife is looking at a new Outback. I was at a Subaru dealer just last evening. I asked the sales guy (who is also a acquaintance/friend of ours) to drive a BR-Z and he said Harr-dee har har, I just sold the last one we had two weeks ago to a guy in NY. It was a brand new 2013 that sat here forever and I let it go for $22k out the door to get rid of it. We won't be getting any more of those. Dealers will tell Toyota to pound sand over a smaller, less powerful, niche market appealing car of the same type.

I think the BRZ was just a phenomenally bad match to Subaru's brand/image. They already had a good sports car (the WRX/STI) and pretty much everything they sell is AWD and utility-oriented. Where was the BRZ supposed to fit in to that? How many people walked into a Subaru dealership looking for a practical sure-footed daily driver, like an outback or forester, and said "never mind, I'd like one of those tiny RWD two-door sports cars, please". Probably just Snoklewacker I don't think these entry-level sports cars are such a bad fit for Toyota. At the end of the day, this isn't really about making lots of money anyway. Toyota surely knows that they're never going to have a sports car that's as good an earner as anything else they make, but they're desperate to change their image, and this is the way to do it.

I totally agree. Around here (Vancouver), there are quite a few FR-S's on the street but very few BRZ's. If someone wants to buy a Frisbee, they're heading to the Scion dealership, not the Subaru dealership. If I'm not mistaken, you're also paying a bit less money for an FR-S compared to a BRZ for what is essentially the same car.

dont quote me on this but i also heard that there are 10 FR-S's for every 1 BRZ, maybe subaru knew they probably wouldnt sell as many as scion which in my head makes sense. But down the road I would almost guarantee the BRZ will hold a higher value then the FR-S as they age due to "Mad JDM rareness yo"

mad_machine wrote: if Toyota could fit some of the Prius' tech into it... a Hybrid sports coupe' would be a hoot and it would sell because it is "green"

I doubt it. You're essentially describing what Honda did with the CR-Z vs. the CRX, and I barely ever see CR-Z's on the road.

EDIT: Flight Service beat me to it

mainlandboy wrote:

JohnyHachi6 wrote:

Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: It won't come here. Here is why: My wife is looking at a new Outback. I was at a Subaru dealer just last evening. I asked the sales guy (who is also a acquaintance/friend of ours) to drive a BR-Z and he said Harr-dee har har, I just sold the last one we had two weeks ago to a guy in NY. It was a brand new 2013 that sat here forever and I let it go for $22k out the door to get rid of it. We won't be getting any more of those. Dealers will tell Toyota to pound sand over a smaller, less powerful, niche market appealing car of the same type.

I think the BRZ was just a phenomenally bad match to Subaru's brand/image. They already had a good sports car (the WRX/STI) and pretty much everything they sell is AWD and utility-oriented. Where was the BRZ supposed to fit in to that? How many people walked into a Subaru dealership looking for a practical sure-footed daily driver, like an outback or forester, and said "never mind, I'd like one of those tiny RWD two-door sports cars, please". Probably just Snoklewacker I don't think these entry-level sports cars are such a bad fit for Toyota. At the end of the day, this isn't really about making lots of money anyway. Toyota surely knows that they're never going to have a sports car that's as good an earner as anything else they make, but they're desperate to change their image, and this is the way to do it.

I totally agree. Around here (Vancouver), there are quite a few FR-S's on the street but very few BRZ's. If someone wants to buy a Frisbee, they're heading to the Scion dealership, not the Subaru dealership. If I'm not mistaken, you're also paying a bit less money for an FR-S compared to a BRZ for what is essentially the same car.

As a touch-point, here is a snapshot of the people on the Twins Main forum (FT86). I am extrapolating that the same ratio would apply to people owning the cars.

mainlandboy wrote:

mad_machine wrote: if Toyota could fit some of the Prius' tech into it... a Hybrid sports coupe' would be a hoot and it would sell because it is "green"

I doubt it. You're essentially describing what Honda did with the CR-Z vs. the CRX, and I barely ever see CR-Z's on the road. EDIT: Flight Service beat me to it

And the latest news I heard is that the next CR-Z isn't going to be a hybrid.

bravenrace wrote:

mainlandboy wrote:

mad_machine wrote: if Toyota could fit some of the Prius' tech into it... a Hybrid sports coupe' would be a hoot and it would sell because it is "green"

I doubt it. You're essentially describing what Honda did with the CR-Z vs. the CRX, and I barely ever see CR-Z's on the road. EDIT: Flight Service beat me to it

And the latest news I heard is that the next CR-Z isn't going to be a hybrid.

I loved the attempt on the CR-Z, I just don't think Honda finished the thought. Purely subjective but something just feels off about the car.

The car in the second picture is a 4 door sedan that looks a lot like a Corolla.

There's nothing wrong with the BR-Z that a K24 wouldn't fix.