Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/24/20 9:17 p.m.

Californiamilleghia made me do this.  Share your tutorials on tracing down a drain in your electrical system.

Tools needed:  Multimeter capable of checking amps, and whatever tools you need to remove the battery cable.  Optional; fuse puller tool and factory wiring diagram.

1) pull the positive cable off the terminal.
2) set up your multimeter for testing DC amps
3) connect the positive lead to the pos battery terminal and the negative lead to the pos battery cable.
4) make sure the key is off, the door is closed, etc.  If your hood has an underhood light, pull the bulb out to prevent fake readings.
5) measure the amps.  If you see less than about 0.20A, congratulations, you're done.  Put it back together and look elsewhere.
6) if it measures higher than about 0.25A, start pulling fuses one at a time (and by that I mean, remove the first fuse, observe, then replace the first fuse before pulling the second one) while watching the meter.  Jot down the amperage reading you get during each fuse pull. (I'll explain why later) You're looking for a sudden drop in amperage.  If you pull (for instance) fuse #10 and you suddenly have 0.15A, take note so you can identify all the electronic devices supplied by the #10 fuse.  You've at least narrowed it down to a few things.
7) at this point, it is really nice to have a factory wiring diagram.  Navigate to that page to familiarize yourself with how those circuits operate.  For instance, many cars supply hot power to a dome light and the door switch grounds it.  From there, just trace wires.

  • important note:  The fuse that supplies the radio memory will be the one that draws the bulk of your resting battery drain.  Don't be surprised if you pull the radio fuse and see next to zero amps being consumed.  For this reason, I suggest cautiously ignoring whatever magical amperage drop you get when you pull the radio fuse.  The only time you should really suspect the radio circuit is if you've eliminated all other possible circuits.
  • Factory alarm systems don't consume much power unless they are triggered.
  • Aftermarket alarm systems may consume a little more power, but it would need to be verified how much power by consulting the manual for your alarm system.  
  • which brings up another good point.  Aftermarket add-ons often get their power from somewhere other than the fuse panel.  Make sure you trace the wires back and, whatever inline fuse there is, test it the same way you test the others. Or simply disconnect that aftermarket item to test how much it draws.
  • Factory ECMs on newer cars may draw some power even with the switch off.  This is due to the fact that some anti-theft systems work in conjuction with (or are a part of) the ECM.

8) if you find that no single fuse-pull drops you below that 0.25A threshhold, you may have multiple leaks.  This is why I suggested writing down the values each time you pulled a fuse.  Look for the two with the largest amperage drops. (except the radio fuse since we know that one should be drawing some)
9) As an alternative to using paper and pencil to trace multiple leaks, you can get a bit more ambitious.  Take a photo of your fuse panel (or panels... don't forget the fuse panel under the hood).  Then remove all the fuses.  Your meter should read zero or darn close to it.  Then, consulting your photo, test by inserting one fuse at a time and recording how many amps are being consumed, then remove that fuse before moving on to the next.  The fuse (or fuses) that show the biggest amperage draw are likely culprits.

For the most part, you'll find that if you have a voltage leak, it will be glaringly obvious in your ammeter testing.  I tried to be as explanatory as I could for those who might not have the experience to intuitively just get it on the first try, but it's usually quite obvious.  In trying to find a leak in my E30, I had a 3.6A draw that dropped to 0.18A (a 20x drop) when I pulled the interior lighting fuse.  Turns out, I had broken the trunk light switch and the light was remaining on with the trunk closed.  So simple, yet nearly impossible to notice since you can't see the light with the trunk closed.  It's like trying to watch to see if the fridge light goes out when you close the door.  My BWM must have been previously owned by Schroedinger.

Y'all care to share your tips?

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia Dork
5/24/20 9:21 p.m.

Thanks , I will need this whenever I get the Astro van back on the road , it would pull the battery down in a couple days if not used.....

RichardNZ
RichardNZ GRM+ Memberand New Reader
5/24/20 10:41 p.m.

Good advice here on methodical trouble shooting here - everything posted here is spot on with one minor exception ...  depending on your particular multimeter it is probably not proof against a high current meltdown, headlights are 10 or so amps if switched on accidentally, which can get expensive - read replacement.

When I was doing the rally car(s) back in the day I used to connect a large light bulb, usually one of the spotlights since they were there, between the battery and the car, ground or 12v whichever is easier, and measure the voltage across it. Ohms Law will let you calculate the current, most meters are fairly sensitive at low voltages and a short circuit / unexpected high current draw will only full scale the meter which is rarely fatal at low voltages.

Scott_H
Scott_H Reader
5/25/20 10:53 a.m.
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) said:

5) measure the amps.  If you see less than about 0.20A, congratulations, you're done.  Put it back together and look elsewhere.
 

You're missing a zero.  It should read 0.020A or 20 milliamps.  

Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
5/25/20 11:14 a.m.

Invent a way to connect the ammeter in line without disconnecting the car from voltage.  We have a memory saver at work that plugs in to the datalink connector, but I have also used a battery jumpstart box connected to the alternator or fusebox or something.  Reason being, for one, you do not want to lose memory in all the different modules, and two, when you connect the battery, everything is going to wake up.  It might take 20 minutes to an hour for everything to go back to sleep.

Likewise, if you start pulling fuses, when you plug them back in, the current is going to spike when any downstream modules wake up, and then you have to wait again.  A better way if you have a voltmeter that can read in the tenths of a millivolt range is to check the voltage drop across each fuse.  Forget what you have been told about circuits having no voltage drop, EVERY circuit that passes current drops voltage along the way.  There are tables online so that you can find that, say, a 20 amp ATM fuse will drop X amount of microvolts at Y amount of current.  Personally I just go down the fusebox with the voltmeter and look for the ones that don't read zero.

Note the "voltage" is the voltage difference between each side of the fuse.  And those voltages are LOW.  So for any draw that does not make fat sparks you will be looking in the range of under a millivolt or so!  But it is way faster, especially when you are working under the dash.

Modern cars I am happy with under 50 milliamps.

 

In 99% of the parasitic draw problems I have diagnosed, it was in the entertainment system.  Usually an audio amplifier that was not shutting off, but some Hondas had an issue with the cellular receiver.  Either way that counts as entertainment system in my book.  I figure that the non critical modules like amplifiers and CD changers don't get engineered quite as robustly.

The alternator in my RX-7 represented a significant draw because I swapped it from a newer Mazda, and the internal circuitry was different, causing the regulator to keep the field current hot with the ignition off.

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
5/25/20 4:57 p.m.

Is there a likely culprit in a 1982 Porsche 928? My brother has one and he has to disconnect the battery whenever it is parked for more than a day. That's fairly inconvenient. 

Hoondavan
Hoondavan Reader
5/25/20 9:45 p.m.

I'm glad i saw this.  The battery in my e30 died...i'm hoping it's from sitting or something stulid like the glove box loght...but i'm also afraid the cheopo battery i bought (and now out of warranty) is weak.

b13990
b13990 Reader
5/25/20 10:07 p.m.

In reply to Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) :

Went through this process years ago with a 2002 Altima, and it turned out the A/C clutch was being electromagentically engaged while the car was off. As you might imagine, it did not take long for the battery to discharge with that problem.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
2/1/23 9:25 a.m.

Been through this with the M3: How to methodically find the battery drain.

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