How many people get to put a kill sticker on the side of the car with the car in the circle being a McLaren!
GPS does a good job of painting a coat of reality over the picture.
How many people get to put a kill sticker on the side of the car with the car in the circle being a McLaren!
GPS does a good job of painting a coat of reality over the picture.
I've only done a few HPDEs over the years, but all of them required a point by for passing. Are there many track days out there that allow open passing??
Regardless of who is at fault, I'd hate to be the guy driving the McLaren. 
In reply to oldtin:
I think everyone needs to pitch in and purchase Jalopnik and have you do all the writing. 
As they say, speed doesn't kill. Speed differential kills. Someone with a car like a Mclaren has to be extra careful around slower cars because their braking points will be different, and the closing speed can be pretty pronounced. There seems to be a good bit of evidence that the Mclaren driver's a dick. I suspect that more info will out.
Where's the car cam?
What E36 M3ty non-journalism.
Gotta wonder though, where were the event organizers on this one? I know if you blew the speed limits on public roads as described, none of the groups I run with would even speak to you, let alone put you on the track. Missing the driver's meeting? Four wheels off during the first session?
Organizer fail, even before the ego-vs-ego blamefest.
mazdeuce wrote: Had a mclaren (and a bunch of toyoburus) at the autocross in Houston on Sunday. The guy was actually much nicer than I thought he'd be.
What the heck? THAT sounds like douche speak. Not saying you are one, but...
I've been autocrossing, racing, and running track days for more than 25 years, and it seems to me during track days, that the responsibility always goes to the one overtaking...period. If the Mclaren was the one overtaking, it was his fault. All this talk about him being on the inside..blah blah blah, is merely for fun. He should have been looking for a point by, if he didn't have it, he should have slowed down and waited until corner exit when he could have blown by, with a point by of course.
I've been in both the faster and slower cars in scenarios like this, and it really is the only way to ensure limited carnage in car to car contact. It doesn't matter who is the douch, and how much faster his closing speed was, if he was diving in under braking, his fault.
If you want an extreme example; a friend of mine that did a track day in a Nissan GTP car once, and they had a vintage Fiat 850 in the same group. Guess what, it was still his responsibility not to hit her. She still had to do a point by, even though he was amost 200mph faster. I know, crazy. But you get the idea.
njansenv wrote:mazdeuce wrote: Had a mclaren (and a bunch of toyoburus) at the autocross in Houston on Sunday. The guy was actually much nicer than I thought he'd be.What the heck? THAT sounds like douche speak. Not saying you are one, but...
How much money you have doesn't dictate how much of a tool you are. I've known people of all incomes that are total tools. I've also known people of all incomes that are very nice guys (and girls).
racerdave600 wrote: I've been autocrossing, racing, and running track days for more than 25 years, and it seems to me during track days, that the responsibility always goes to the one overtaking...period. If the Mclaren was the one overtaking, it was his fault. All this talk about him being on the inside..blah blah blah, is merely for fun. He should have been looking for a point by, if he didn't have it, he should have slowed down and waited until corner exit when he could have blown by, with a point by of course. I've been in both the faster and slower cars in scenarios like this, and it really is the only way to ensure limited carnage in car to car contact. It doesn't matter who is the douch, and how much faster his closing speed was, if he was diving in under braking, his fault. If you want an extreme example; a friend of mine that did a track day in a Nissan GTP car once, and they had a vintage Fiat 850 in the same group. Guess what, it was still his responsibility not to hit her. She still had to do a point by, even though he was amost 200mph faster. I know, crazy. But you get the idea.
This is the answer. Leading car takes his line, whatever that may be. The overtaking car is responsible for making a clean safe pass. I've never been to any lapping day where passing was permitted in the corners any way, even with a point. It can be frustrating if you're the following car and much faster, but you wait for a straight away and a point.
At the end of the driver's meeting at SCDA events, they conclude with:
"Remember: You can't win at a track day. But, you can lose at a track day."
dyintorace wrote: Are there many track days out there that allow open passing??
in a word .... no .... I do 5 - 6 track days per yr ... and the only pass anywhere I've encountered is at level 4 HPDE with NASA-SE ... and even there you BETTER not hit someone ( not sure but TrackDaze may allow pass anywhere .. maybe even then with a point by ... in some of their newer and higher level classes )
wbjones wrote:dyintorace wrote: Are there many track days out there that allow open passing??in a word .... no ....
Incorrect. There are plenty. Like you said, NASA HPDE4 / TT is and they do tons of events ina season. Others are becoming popular lately too but are often invitation only and promoted by word of mouth. Group 52 at Watkins Glen is a good example of this.
kreb wrote: As they say, speed doesn't kill. Speed differential kills. Someone with a car like a Mclaren has to be extra careful around slower cars because their braking points will be different, and the closing speed can be pretty pronounced. There seems to be a good bit of evidence that the Mclaren driver's a dick. I suspect that more info will out. Where's the car cam?
Agreed.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Incorrect. There are plenty. Like you said, NASA HPDE4 / TT is and they do tons of events ina season. Others are becoming popular lately too but are often invitation only and promoted by word of mouth. Group 52 at Watkins Glen is a good example of this.
I'm guessing that by making something invitation only, you can weed out the idiots and toolbags ahead of time, and know that everyone who actually shows up is a decent driver and (more importantly) not going to do anything stupid or overly testosteroney.
psteav wrote:Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: Incorrect. There are plenty. Like you said, NASA HPDE4 / TT is and they do tons of events ina season. Others are becoming popular lately too but are often invitation only and promoted by word of mouth. Group 52 at Watkins Glen is a good example of this.I'm guessing that by making something invitation only, you can weed out the idiots and toolbags ahead of time, and know that everyone who actually shows up is a decent driver and (more importantly) not going to do anything stupid or overly testosteroney.
Conversely, some of those invite only groups could be used to keep people out that would be a threat to "The way things have always been"......like the way scca club racing has made it more expensive and difficult to get into the sport in my area. 
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