Twin Engine Grand Prix

http://www.streetlegaltv.com/news/video-introducing-a-twin-engine-1200hp-pontiac-grand-prix-gtp/

the two shifters are awesome

That thing moves out in a wholly unnatural fashion. I knee what was going to happen but, when it happen, it still produced extreme wrongness of the brain.

Also, I want to see it do the hyudai burnout from the SCC challenge.

Because of course it's Canadian

I'm surprised nobody's tried to make a challenge car like this, what with the resale value of grand prixs and similar GM vehicles.

I had a thought of a twin 3800 aztek for a challenge car, but my skill is nowhere close to my imagination.

there's a guy on the w body site who's had a twin engine cutlass for years. at first he left the stock 3100 up front and threw an L67 in the trunk. last i saw it was getting 2 3800's.

thas nuckin' futz

I was going to do this with a Neon

akamcfly wrote: I'm surprised nobody's tried to make a challenge car like this, what with the resale value of grand prixs and similar GM vehicles.

I sure haven't found a w-body around these parts for challenge money yet unless you want to fix a smashemup. Even with 200k on em, they are bringing $2500.

Anyone notice how twin engine cars are never shown on a road course, or even a twisty road? Though I can't prove it, I suspect than any difference in output between the front and rear drivetrains will put the car in a ditch.

Look up twin engined Tiburon burnout on the Youtubes. You'll thank me later.

kb58 wrote: Anyone notice how twin engine cars are *never* shown on a road course, or even a twisty road? Though I can't prove it, I suspect than any difference in output between the front and rear drivetrains will put the car in a ditch.

I know the twin engine tib was within 10hp from one engine to the other.. but I suspect that most twin engine cars are autos because it is easier than trying to sync up two clutches and throttles to work smoothly.

In reply to kb58:

The Durocco finished mid-pack at the $2010 challenge. I believe at that point it was running a 1.8l and a 2.0l, both work different transmission ratios. I believe the builder referred to it as Torque Biasing...

Appleseed wrote: Look up twin engined Tiburon burnout on the Youtubes. You'll thank me later.

Yep, thats the one I was referring to.

kb58 wrote: Anyone notice how twin engine cars are *never* shown on a road course, or even a twisty road? Though I can't prove it, I suspect than any difference in output between the front and rear drivetrains will put the car in a ditch.

There are a couple of Toyota based twin engine monstrosities racing in Lemons and they do well. I mean, well for a duct tape and bailing wire budget road course endurance racer. I think the front/rear power difference doesn't make that big of a difference. The bigger issue is sorting out reliability.

kb58 wrote: Anyone notice how twin engine cars are *never* shown on a road course, or even a twisty road? Though I can't prove it, I suspect than any difference in output between the front and rear drivetrains will put the car in a ditch.

http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/04/twin-engined-monster-suzuki-escudo/

You were saying?

Ranger50 wrote:

akamcfly wrote: I'm surprised nobody's tried to make a challenge car like this, what with the resale value of grand prixs and similar GM vehicles.

I sure haven't found a w-body around these parts for challenge money yet unless you want to fix a smashemup. Even with 200k on em, they are bringing $2500.

forget the W-bodies. Look at H bodies. They seem bigger, but actually weigh around the same.

there are sub grand running GTP's on cleveland craigslist all the time. buy 2, use best parts and both drivetrains in the cleanest shell, boom. 4 wheel drive dual engine challenge car.

just had awesome idea instead of using a bunch of front end parts in the back for suspension. get a rear cradle from a rendezvous(or all wheel drive aztek) and bolt that in, get hubs from an all wheel drive one, and plunk the engine/trans in that.

AClockworkGarage wrote:

kb58 wrote: Anyone notice how twin engine cars are *never* shown on a road course, or even a twisty road? Though I can't prove it, I suspect than any difference in output between the front and rear drivetrains will put the car in a ditch.

http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/04/twin-engined-monster-suzuki-escudo/ You were saying?

And there's a guy in the Bay area road-racing a twin engine R53 MINI. It was on Jay Leno's Garage last year.

so, would you want the more powerful engine in the back?

AClockworkGarage wrote:

kb58 wrote: Anyone notice how twin engine cars are *never* shown on a road course, or even a twisty road? Though I can't prove it, I suspect than any difference in output between the front and rear drivetrains will put the car in a ditch.

http://www.speedhunters.com/2014/04/twin-engined-monster-suzuki-escudo/ You were saying?

That looks like it might be sorted a little better than the 14 cylinder VW that was posted here last week or so.

Think SWMBO will notice if I do this to her Grand Prix?

Javelin wrote: Think SWMBO will notice if I do this to her Grand Prix?

She might if she ever has to put a child seat in it, but I say do it anyhow and find out.

AClockworkGarage wrote:

Ranger50 wrote:

akamcfly wrote: I'm surprised nobody's tried to make a challenge car like this, what with the resale value of grand prixs and similar GM vehicles.

I sure haven't found a w-body around these parts for challenge money yet unless you want to fix a smashemup. Even with 200k on em, they are bringing $2500.

forget the W-bodies. Look at H bodies. They seem bigger, but actually weigh around the same.

I was thinking aztek myself - for the extra room. Never thought about the awd version possibly making the conversion easier. I was just thinking they're easier to find cheap, and they have a larger space in the back for a subframe or whatever one would need to fabricate. Also a nice vertical area on the back for mounting a radiator maybe.

I knew I shouldn't have junked the Malibu, I could have just added more engine.