Chris Tropea
Chris Tropea Associate Editor
11/9/24 12:00 p.m.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/Vhy5nGI2XxM?si=Jpjw6sjCYCV3bcl8

What broke the track record for a production car at NCM Motorsports Park? A McLaren Senna driven by Andy Pilgrim … that is until Steve Luca eclipsed that mark with his Ford Mustang Shelby GT500.

Learn more about what made his pony car so fast at the Tire Rack Ultimate Track Car Challenge presented by Grassroots Motorsports.

[Raiden Nicol …

Watch more videos

leec
leec New Reader
11/9/24 1:50 p.m.

and whose definition of a "production car" do we accept? I have an unmodified Shelby GT 500 and a C7 Z06, and at the C&D Lightning Lap testing of those vehicles when new, has them both with the exact same lap time.  If I add nitrous, bored and stroked motor and a wing, plus slicks and go faster, can we still call it a "production" car? How about my Monster [V8] Miata, that's much faster than my stock SSB Miata. Both production vehicles? Should there be a more accurate term for highly modified vehicles that aren't really "production" anymore?  

mspeedP5
mspeedP5 New Reader
11/9/24 4:11 p.m.

Production Car? In what universe? indecision

BlueInGreen - Jon
BlueInGreen - Jon UberDork
11/9/24 5:12 p.m.

Nobody said "stock production car" lol

Simple answer:

If it was a street car at one point or built off a production car chassis then it's production based, as opposed to a purpose built race car chassis like a formula car, sports racer, or something like that.

kb58
kb58 UltraDork
11/11/24 12:00 a.m.
leec said:

and whose definition of a "production car" do we accept? I have an unmodified Shelby GT 500 and a C7 Z06, and at the C&D Lightning Lap testing of those vehicles when new, has them both with the exact same lap time.  If I add nitrous, bored and stroked motor and a wing, plus slicks and go faster, can we still call it a "production" car? How about my Monster [V8] Miata, that's much faster than my stock SSB Miata. Both production vehicles? Should there be a more accurate term for highly modified vehicles that aren't$20 really "production" anymore?  

That's one of my hot buttons, where someone will modify, oh, a Honda, dumping $20K into the drive train. They then go out and beat a dead-stock competitor and claim that Hondas are superior. (Honda was just an example, it happens with many brands... even Mustangs.)

Davidlu03
Davidlu03 GRM+ Memberand New Reader
11/11/24 3:52 p.m.

Yeah... this is an entirely stripped out car, full aero, running non street legal michelin racing slicks, vs a stock Mclaren Senna.. which normally comes with Pirelli Trofeo R, so... very misleading title imo. 

You'll need to log in to post.

Our Preferred Partners
ugE2i6ke9jOijnVlcxUsLXPOmy1CbNMlj2rx9iMlk6ODOl4flZayNvcsQpJMz4pa