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The Ioniq 5 N is Hyundai’s first high-performance EV. Sure, it has up to 641 horsepower–and it weighs nearly 5000 pounds–but how does it actually do on track?
Find out as our test driver J.G. Pasterjak took one around WeatherTech Raceway Laguna Seca.
Guesses as to what this will run at the FIRM? 1:16? Maybe a 1:15?
Matt Farrah absolutely raved about this car on his latest podcast. He called it the best EV he's driven by a good margin. He's even considering canceling the order he has in for an electric Macan and getting one of these instead.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:Matt Farrah absolutely raved about this car on his latest podcast. He called it the best EV he's driven by a good margin. He's even considering canceling the order he has in for an electric Macan and getting one of these instead.
Yeah I feel that pretty deeply. It's really impressive. The range takes a huge hit (my wife's normal Ioniq 5 shows 325+ with a full charge and the N is only rated for 220 on a full battery), but as an electric, high tech track toy that can also serve as a no-fooling street car with four doors and a huge wayback, there's a lot to like here.
Safe to assume tire wear on this thing is horrendous?
calteg said:Safe to assume tire wear on this thing is horrendous?
No, I bet it's actually quite good at wearing them. 
calteg said:Safe to assume tire wear on this thing is horrendous?
Yeah i think you'll save money on gas a brake pads that will all go into the tire budget. Pirelli developed a bespoke set of 275s for the car, but it definitely feels like it could use more rubber and it's using the rubber it has pretty aggressively.
In reply to calteg :
It's probably no worse than some other heavy cars I've seen at track days. Dodge challengers are about the same weight, for example. Would I want to buy tires for either?........Nope.... I raced a Miata on six 205/50/15 Toyos for almost two seasons, cuz I'm cheap.
In reply to DeadSkunk (Warren) :
The difference in tire wear between a heavy EV and a similarly heavy ICE vehicle is the wear under acceleration, as you can see from the speed graph in the video it's accelerating quite nearly as hard as an ABS stop up to about 80-90mph, in an ICE vehicle the tires usually aren't being worked too hard by forward acceleration alone once the car is into 2nd or 3rd which may be something like 40-60mph. So the EV has the kind of acceleration an ICE vehicle would have in 1st all the way into the ballpark of 3rd-4th gear speeds and the tires no longer get a break while driving in a straight line at those speeds.
This reminds me of a video I saw of the Lotus Evija being driven up the Goodwood driveway, their test driver made the point that going from gas to electric was like going from drum brakes to discs with ABS but for the other direction - the limit to acceleration is no longer the device that's applying the torque, but the tire.
Speaking of tires, it should be noted that the 5 N uses a set of specially designed Pirellis that are predictable and communicative, but also feel pretty hard. I'd be really curious to see what it would do to a set of 200tw rubber. It's absolutely going to overheat A052s in a lap, but maybe that lap will be fast enough so it doesn't matter. Even something like a set of PSS would be an interresting experiment.
I saw 5k lb and thought "huh not bad"
EVs have reset my expectations on weight. Weird moment for me
JG Pasterjak said:Speaking of tires, it should be noted that the 5 N uses a set of specially designed Pirellis that are predictable and communicative, but also feel pretty hard. I'd be really curious to see what it would do to a set of 200tw rubber. It's absolutely going to overheat A052s in a lap, but maybe that lap will be fast enough so it doesn't matter. Even something like a set of PSS would be an interresting experiment.
So, follow up-- what kind of tires are available for it?
That was one of the issues with the i8-- only two flavors of performance tires available to fit the stock rim. There were Bridgestones that were never in stock and Pirellis. Not that you expected a lot of folks to make performance tires when the fronts were 215s on 20 inch rims.
In reply to JG Pasterjak :
Sounds like you need to get a test 5N and loan it to Andy.
In reply to JG Pasterjak :
Good enough excuse as any to buy one.
My birthday is in October...
Karacticus said:JG Pasterjak said:Speaking of tires, it should be noted that the 5 N uses a set of specially designed Pirellis that are predictable and communicative, but also feel pretty hard. I'd be really curious to see what it would do to a set of 200tw rubber. It's absolutely going to overheat A052s in a lap, but maybe that lap will be fast enough so it doesn't matter. Even something like a set of PSS would be an interresting experiment.
So, follow up-- what kind of tires are available for it?
That was one of the issues with the i8-- only two flavors of performance tires available to fit the stock rim. There were Bridgestones that were never in stock and Pirellis. Not that you expected a lot of folks to make performance tires when the fronts were 215s on 20 inch rims.
I had an interesting conversation with paul dallenbach about the car they're prepping for Pike's Peak. They're having a tough time finding 21s that they love, so they're experimenting with 20s, which is a factory winter wheel option so it could legally fit into the Pike's stock SUV class.
But, yeah, you make a good point. Many OEM fitments tend to be ahead of the curve on the aftermarket options, particularly when it comes to rubber. No car or tire company would ever admit this but I have to think it has something to do with limiting options so folks are encouraged to replace tires with the exact same brand and model.
In reply to JG Pasterjak :
I'm not one to look for conspiracies, but considering the lack of affordable alternative tire options in stock Porsche sizes, you may be on to something.
With the new Tesla Model 3 Performance, the non-supercar performance EV market might be heating up and getting interesting.
How does headroom compare to the regular Ioniq 5? I have a long torso and I am usually headroom limited. I saw a note on another review where the front seats were significantly lowered. I am curious how it translates.
ojannen said:How does headroom compare to the regular Ioniq 5? I have a long torso and I am usually headroom limited. I saw a note on another review where the front seats were significantly lowered. I am curious how it translates.
I'd say the Ioniq 5 N definitely has more headroom than the standard 5. The N uses manual seats rather than power ones in the standard Ioniq 5. Hyundai's official numbers are the same for both, but my head says differently.
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JG Pasterjak said:I had an interesting conversation with paul dallenbach about the car they're prepping for Pike's Peak. They're having a tough time finding 21s that they love, so they're experimenting with 20s, which is a factory winter wheel option so it could legally fit into the Pike's stock SUV class.
There's also a very specific tire used for the Colorado hillclimb series that exists because of Dallenbach, if I understand correctly. It was probably a Pikes Peak special back in the dirt days, and all the other hillclimbs in CO are still dirt. My hillclimbing coworker uses them.
Chris Tropea said:"and it weighs nearly 5000 pounds"
Chunky.
Funky.
Cyberpunk-y.
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