Wagon definition

mad_machine wrote:

Raze wrote: I like the Wiki definition. I had a 1983 Pontiac Parisienne staton wagon in high school. I would argue that you need length and the ability to seat people in the 'way-back'. Also, the door shouldn't open up, as in a 'hatch-back'. It should open to the side OR be droppable as a lift gate. The smallest wagon I'd say is cool to call a wagon is the Subaru Legacy wagon, the WRX is not a wagon, no way, no how...

see.. I would debate that.. I remember my parents going from a Plymouth wagon (with the way back) to an Aspen Station Wagon in 1980.. it was mid-sized, did not have a third row, and the rear door lifted like a hatchback.. but it was definatly a station wagon and not a hatch

But it had a full-on D-pillar that wasn't part of the hatch, yes? Like I said, I like the wiki definition, and threw in my personal view on them, but sure, there are smaller non-third row seating wagons, I just think of the older, full-size examples as a starting place...

As much as I hate the fact that this thread has had to go on 3 pages I am gonna jump in.

JFX001 wrote: Point being, as stated before, a 5 door hatch is a wagon.

But there is a difference

Wagon

5 door hatch

It is pretty obvious which is the station wagon and the hatchback ain't it.

Now if you want to get folks really riled up start the "A 2 door sedan is not a coupe" thread.

In reply to ditchdigger:

They look look like wagons to me, one is just shorter than the other by a few inches. Kinda like the trucks with normal bed length vs the ones with short beds.

Potato vs potato I guess

Raze wrote:

mad_machine wrote:

Raze wrote: I like the Wiki definition. I had a 1983 Pontiac Parisienne staton wagon in high school. I would argue that you need length and the ability to seat people in the 'way-back'. Also, the door shouldn't open up, as in a 'hatch-back'. It should open to the side OR be droppable as a lift gate. The smallest wagon I'd say is cool to call a wagon is the Subaru Legacy wagon, the WRX is not a wagon, no way, no how...

see.. I would debate that.. I remember my parents going from a Plymouth wagon (with the way back) to an Aspen Station Wagon in 1980.. it was mid-sized, did not have a third row, and the rear door lifted like a hatchback.. but it was definatly a station wagon and not a hatch

But it had a full-on D-pillar that wasn't part of the hatch, yes? Like I said, I like the wiki definition, and threw in my personal view on them, but sure, there are smaller non-third row seating wagons, I just think of the older, full-size examples as a starting place...

yes.. looked a lot like this.. but white

In reply to ditchdigger:

Ah, my quote taken out of context...read my quote on the sedan/wagon for clarity.

Stupid argument. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. My son drives a 1998 Impreza Wagon. Subaru calls it a wagon, the state of Pennsylvania calls it a wagon and he and I call it a wagon. It is a wagon.

mmosbey wrote:

wlkelley3 wrote:

Streetwiseguy wrote: 2 doors and hatch is a hatchback. 4 doors and hatch is a wagon. Exceptions would include old American full size 2 door wagons like this: This conversation is like talking to a music person. I don't care which of the thousand names you call modern euro dance music, its still Disco. I was there.

There were also 2-door wagons that were called sedan deliveries. Actually more rare than the Nomad.

Sedan delivery implies that there are no side windows rearward of the driver, and no seating, as this is cargo area. I'd consider that a shooting brake.

Yes, muddying the waters. Actually they did have glass on the sides and a backseat that folded flat. Have a friend that restores tri-5 chevies and I almost bought a 57 Sedan Delivery. If the guy would have straightened out the title issues I would have bought it.

I like Jalopnik's definition: http://jalopnik.com/5872562/what-makes-a-wagon-a-wagon

In reply to series8217:

I think Jalopnik nailed it.

Focus seems nice, but friends of mine that own them seem to have them in the shop all the time.

Who cares? It's all semantics anyway.

ShadowSix wrote: . The title for my '89 2-door 4Runner says it's a station wagon.

Title for my '94 4-Runner said it was a Suburban.

Who knew?

According to Jalopnik'w Rule #1, if this had steel in the rear window panels it wouldn't be a wagon?

Ain't a Hatch. Not a Coupe'.

If it has a rear hatch, and junk can be hauled it it, it is a Wagon. A Pinto is a Wagon.

What about wagons with rear glass so sloped that it cuts off the extra cargo space? Are they still wagons? The Audi 100 was a wagon (in the US)

but Audi called this a "sportback"

Which makes this... Well, stupid.

The Vega had a really blocky rear section, but only two doors. A wagon or not?

(yes, this one is factory stock. They were pretty cool.)

Factory stock what? Rubber floormats??

There has never been a car that left the factory looking anything like that.

I'm kinda sad to see this thread again. It's more stupid than political threads.

Having said that, I'm a little surprised to see no one has suggested the long flat roof. I haven't figured out the ratio (maybe it the flat roof continues past the rear axle), but it seems to me that is the one thing all wagons seem to have in common.

Perhaps, except the WRX wagon.