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For now, the focus is on Nevada Assembly Bill 349, which proposes that for a vehicle to be registered as a classic car it must pass a smog check, carry classic or antique insurance, and can only be driven 5,000 miles per year.
This seems to be pretty basic stuff.
The article is written in a way to get people upset, and so is your title.
Why not go look up Nevada Assembly Bill 349, post it, and tell us which part you disagree with?
In reply to CrustyRedXpress :
Any limits on how people can use their private property. How is that for something universal and basic?
In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
So don't register it as a classic, register it as a normal car. Outrage level = zero.
Ohio has the same kind of plate, with the same restrictions. I bought some Year of Manufacture plates for my '81 but decided not to use them because the only way to register with them is as a classic, which has mileage restrictions and usage restrictions - can only be used for going to and from show events or for maintenance/repair purposes. I daily drive the car in the summer. So it has boring ABC1234 plates that cost $58 a year instead of a one time fee good for fifty years.
That's pretty much how classic car registration works in Illinois. Want to drive more than 5,000 miles a year? Then get regular registration. The irony is classic plates at the time cost more than regular plates, and had to be renewed yearly, all with the restrictions.
Colorado has a similar law, don't like the reduced cost of the "classic" plate register it with a regular plate.
In Colorado it was good for 5 years, that you paid up front. Still had to pass emissions. This keep folks from registering your wreck daily driver and try to circumvent the regular requirements.
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to CrustyRedXpress :
Any limits on how people can use their private property. How is that for something universal and basic?
You own a 10 foot by 10 foot square of land downtown NYC. Should you be able to build an unstable 300 foot tower that endangers all the people around it?
Same in Virginia. If you get antique tags, you don't have to get an annual safety inspection. The mileage restrictions aren't really enforced, I've known some people who drive daily on them.
Stampie said:AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:In reply to CrustyRedXpress :
Any limits on how people can use their private property. How is that for something universal and basic?
You own a 10 foot by 10 foot square of land downtown NYC. Should you be able to build an unstable 300 foot tower that endangers all the people around it?
It is even more basic than that, the question is not what you can do with private property but what you can do with public property, IE roads.
In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
Limiting the uses of private property is fine-your rights stop where the rights of others begin.
If you want to create perpetual arguments over this kind of political stuff maybe facebook is a better place for it?
Michigan has "historic" plates where you are not allowed to drive it regularly, except for the month of August- where all driving restrictions are lifted.
Not sure why this is so bad- you can't expect to have a cheap (almost free) registration without some kind of restrictions on them. Especially when you can drive then normally with normal plates- so there's always an option that has no restrictions.
One also should note that every driving has some kind of restrictions on it- there is a speed limit after all.
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In reply to Stampie :
What if it is a stable tower? Car registration doesn't pose the same inherent dangers as an unstable tower.
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CrustyRedXpress said:In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
Limiting the uses of private property is fine-your rights stop where the rights of others begin.
If you want to create perpetual arguments over this kind of political stuff maybe facebook is a better place for it?
No, it's not fine. It's a slippery slope and you are forcing us all on it. I didn't start any of the perpetual arguments. I'm sorry my insistence on personal responsibility and love of freedom is somehow offensive to you. I happen to love my inalienable rights. You have the right to hate them, but I am in no way obligated to agree.
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In reply to alfadriver :
Can I expect to be taxed multiple times just to use my own property? Should everything have restrictions on it?
It's an odd position to bemoan the loss of venues for car hobbyists, complain about fuel prices, complain about inflation, but want more restrictions on driving for any vehicles or drivers.
In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
What does car registration have to do with:
Any limits on how people can use their private property
I'm saying that some limits are good for society. You're saying berk you get off my lawn.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :
So don't register it as a classic, register it as a normal car. Outrage level = zero.
Ohio has the same kind of plate, with the same restrictions. I bought some Year of Manufacture plates for my '81 but decided not to use them because the only way to register with them is as a classic, which has mileage restrictions and usage restrictions - can only be used for going to and from show events or for maintenance/repair purposes. I daily drive the car in the summer. So it has boring ABC1234 plates that cost $58 a year instead of a one time fee good for fifty years.
Not quite. Ohio has "classic" registration that has no restriction on mileage but the make and model must be in their book. "Historic" registrations must be 25 model years old and are limited in mileage.
So as a Nevada resident for the past 44 years I'll chime in.
People have been using this as a way to get around smog laws. You see beater smoky mini vans running around with classic plates.
We are also not talking about a small number of people doing it. It's especially acute here in Vegas.
I'm not in favor of more legislation as I'd prefer they crack down on the abusers but they need to do something.
Also note that for decades we had no smog exemptions for classics; you had to pass smog.
Hears my thing...
You get 5000 miles from a vehicle that has LOOOOOOONG paid for its initial emissions many times over. Smog checks for 5k? You're smoking something. Even if everyone did it, aka no checks, it isn't changing anything related to emissions over a whole 5000 miles, cats or no cats, pvc or not, air pump or bypassed.... You'll have way more evaporative emissions with the gas cap sitting there than driving emissionsless.
Get off my lawn.
Tom1200 said:People have been using this as a way to get around smog laws. You see beater smoky mini vans running around with classic plates.
We are also not talking about a small number of people doing it. It's especially acute here in Vegas.
Yep, looks like that's what this is trying to solve. google found me this article
In 2011, lawmakers modified the definition of a “classic car” to include any vehicle over a certain age that was driven less than 5,000 miles annually.
The number of cars in that category rose from about 5,000 to more than 32,000 vehicles today, all within the span of a decade.
During his presentation, Watts cited the American Lung Association’s 2020 State of the Air Report, which gave Clark, Washoe and Lyon counties failing grades for the number of high pollution days.
Classic insurance requirement is so that the insurance companies handle checking the mileage.
In reply to j_tso :
I have yet to be checked on my classic car insurance, even though I'm under by many miles.
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