We will tell You what you can and cannot do

In reply to OldGray320i :

The problem is that there are some who take the keywords "liberty", "freedom", and "patriot" and twist them into: "I should be allowed to do whatever I want and it doesn't matter how it affects others." Sorry, but yes it does matter.

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

In reply to kb58 :

Eh, we just vibin' now.  Sensationalist misleading article is sensationalist and misleading.

 

I remember a webpage where a guy wrote about his parking exploits by inventing a fake company (something suitably generic yet imposing like Expedited Logistics) and plastered its logos on his generic looking white vehicle (maybe an XJ or Pathfinder) along with meaningless fleet numbers on the fenders.  He would post up all the places where he got away with parking in places one really shouldn't, because it LOOKED like he belonged there..

 

Doesn't Welsh have a white F250 with amber caution lights and a door logo? I swear I remember him saying if you drop an orange cone at each bumper, you could park it damn near anywhere .

In reply to Appleseed :

I couldn't remember who, but I do remember that thread 

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Classic plates in Colorado are for cars 32 years or older.  It lets you get the plates for 5 years, but also you only have to pass emissions when you first get the plates.  So then you have 5 years of not testing, until the registration is due again...

triumph7 said:

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

So don't register it as a classic, register it as a normal car.  Outrage level = zero.

Ohio has the same kind of plate, with the same restrictions.  I bought some Year of Manufacture plates for my '81 but decided not to use them because the only way to register with them is as a classic, which has mileage restrictions and usage restrictions - can only be used for going to and from show events or for maintenance/repair purposes.  I daily drive the car in the summer.  So it has boring ABC1234 plates that cost $58 a year instead of a one time fee good for fifty years.

Not quite.  Ohio has "classic" registration that has no restriction on mileage but the make and model must be in their book.  "Historic" registrations must be 25 model years old and are limited in mileage.

Are you sure on that? I had my Rabbit on historic plates; 52$ once makes it a win for me and I really only drove that one to autocross or for a cruise here and there. And, there was never a check on mileage which is good as it never had a functional speedometer.

edit: shoot, this must have been the first or second year I lived in Ohio. Didn't get the historic plates til 2009. 

In reply to chandler :

I know there are two different kinds of plates, so I said lower-case classic because I didn't want to spend fifteen minutes trying to find the exact info.  The relevant bit is that to use YOM plates you have to register it a certain way with mileage and use limitations.

And it sounds like most states have similar specialty registrations with certain limits.

What was the purpose of creating the historic license plates? Was it because people were complaining about paying full price for plates and only driving a couple hundred miles per year, or is there more to it than that? 

When I had my mustang I got the regular plates because I didn't want to worry about getting cited because I decided to take the car to work on a Tuesday. I dont think they really enforce those rules around here, but I didn't to risk it.

In reply to gearheadmb :

I think that is pretty much it.  Historic plates in Ohio are also emissions exempt but you have to pass emissions first to get them (sounds familiar, doesn't it?) which always struck me as odd, because emissions testing is only on vehicles under 25 years old.

The mileage thing is a little silly from a revenue perspective because fuel taxes dwarf registration fees most of the time, so it is not as if the tax structure isn't linear already.  (well, it is still very slightly regressive, technically)

Mostly it seems to be a fancy plate for people to put on their car.  Maybe the insurance is cheaper if there is force of law behind their pinky-swear that the car won't be driven except certain circumstances.

Isn't the point of the new laws and the reasons  behind them illiterated perfectly here in this thread?

The attitude:

They never smog classic plates, so I'll slap classic plates on this Aerostar that burns more oil than gas and l've removed every single emissions device.

Now, smog checks for classic plates.

The attitude:

They never check mileage on classic plates so I'm going to drive it to work daily even though I'm not supposed to.

Someday they might start checking mileage on your classic because it's been abused.

chandler said:

triumph7 said:

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

So don't register it as a classic, register it as a normal car.  Outrage level = zero.

Ohio has the same kind of plate, with the same restrictions.  I bought some Year of Manufacture plates for my '81 but decided not to use them because the only way to register with them is as a classic, which has mileage restrictions and usage restrictions - can only be used for going to and from show events or for maintenance/repair purposes.  I daily drive the car in the summer.  So it has boring ABC1234 plates that cost $58 a year instead of a one time fee good for fifty years.

Not quite.  Ohio has "classic" registration that has no restriction on mileage but the make and model must be in their book.  "Historic" registrations must be 25 model years old and are limited in mileage.

Are you sure on that? I had my Rabbit on historic plates; 52$ once makes it a win for me and I really only drove that one to autocross or for a cruise here and there. And, there was never a check on mileage which is good as it never had a functional speedometer.

edit: shoot, this must have been the first or second year I lived in Ohio. Didn't get the historic plates til 2009. 

The only option in Ohio is historical plates. There is no mileage restriction, only usage restrictions. If you have a vehicle with a historical registration you can display a model year plate instead of the historical plate if you submit an additional affidavit. 

We have collector plates up here in Canada (at one point I had three cars on a plate you could take off one and pop on another - cheaper than insuring all three and you could only drive one at a time anyway)  The only limit is that you can't drive to or from work.

Afraid I don't get the 'they can't tell me what to do with my car" attitude.  'They', the government can do exactly that - the minute you take a car off your property onto a public street you comply with the law or get the car seized and probably you charged.  Not sure there is anywhere that you can drive with no insurance. Saying that the government can't tell you what you can do with your cars is stupidity. Keep them on your property and do what you want but take them on the public roads and you do what they require. 

wspohn said:'They', the government can do exactly that - the minute you take a car off your property onto a public street you comply with the law or get the car seized and probably you charged.  Not sure there is anywhere that you can drive with no insurance. Saying that the government can't tell you what you can do with your cars is stupidity. Keep them on your property and do what you want but take them on the public roads and you do what they require.

Exactly what I said on the first page. The city/state/fed builds the road so they can say what is allowed on it.

Race tracks may not emission rules but even they have vehicle requirements.

The problem I have with classic registration (in CA) is you have to run a Historical Vehicle plate, you cannot use the original plate.

I am not sure they even have it in CA anymore.  I NEVER see them being used.  I guess everyone likes their original classic plates.

They are.... uhm... less than attractive:

Ranger50 said:

Disagree. If people could actually knew what their government is doing in plain sight, most bills would never pass. If the news is reporting some idiot celeb slept with some other idiot celeb while "married" to yet another idiot celeb, the media skirts its  responsibility to report "important" news.

Even the elected "officials" don't want to let you know what is going on in any official capacity. I know, I've tried to get simple answers and get a plain form letter back.

Would people watch the news if they went through every bill in their state's legislative session? Goes along with the cliche about people not knowing their representatives. The procedure is so time consuming in plain sight most people forget when it comes time to vote.

I haven't checked all 50 but states should have the legislative session and bills being voted on posted online. It's true "they" are counting on you not paying attention, since most bills only make the news if they pass. The devious way of passing them is taking the vote at midnight on the last day of session.

docwyte said:

In reply to Keith Tanner :

Classic plates in Colorado are for cars 32 years or older.  It lets you get the plates for 5 years, but also you only have to pass emissions when you first get the plates.  So then you have 5 years of not testing, until the registration is due again...

32 years old, I have those :) Including a Miata that's eligible. We don't have emissions tests around here - so in my case, it's just for convenience of paperwork. 

In reply to aircooled :

California is a little weird in that the plate stays with the car, no?

I dimly recall that 356s are worth more if they have the original California plates.

Iirc, having a vintage "black plate" is a guarantee the car didn't live in Michigan or some other rusty state for any period of time, thus the value.

Pete. (l33t FS) said:

In reply to aircooled :

California is a little weird in that the plate stays with the car, no?

 

I dimly recall that 356s are worth more if they have the original California plates.

Yes they do.  I believe prior to 1963 (the yellow with black text plates) though the plates where changed every few (2?) years. So having a car with original yellow and black plates would be exceptionally rare, I believe it would have to have dropped out of reg prior to 1964.  I am not sure if you could keep the old plates (black on yellow) or all the old plates available now are from junked cars.

But, it not entirely uncommon to see cars from the mid 60's up with the original plates it had when new.  Plates would get swapped out for current plates (when re-registered) sometimes when the registration had expired for too long (not in the system or something)

In reply to Ranger50 :

I disagree with you. The problem is articles like the one OP posted. It completely misrepresents reality. They are changing a rule about specialty plates closes a loophole people were using to avoid laws, and paints it as some sort of tyranny. It specifically says you will no longer be able to use your classic car for a road trip which is completely untrue. 

I for one am sick and tired of media companies selling lies disguised as news. We all know that it has real world consequences. 

We are well past due to start calling this stuff out for what it is, complete bullE36 M3. 

gearheadmb said:

In reply to Ranger50 :

...I for one am sick and tired of media companies selling lies disguised as news... We are well past due to start calling this stuff out for what it is, complete bullE36 M3. 

Far more damaging than media companies - which have some accountability - are individuals who monetize knee-jerk terms like "rights", "freedom", and "patriotism." They've taken over social media with websites containing inflammatory clickbait that serve only to make them money, truth be damned. 

I can't see the original "article" that the OP posted, but I bet it wasn't created by CNN or Fox, but someone inventing it simply to maximize click-throughs to their ads. The story likely has a contrived drama title like, "Freedom-loving Americans are having their rights to drive taken away!" It's a very simple yet effective recipe to get "true Americans" all wound up, forwarding such crap to their buddies, with the writer laughing all the way to the bank.

So, we're on the same page, I've been "calling them out" for years by refusing to click on their sites.

In reply to AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) :

What is obtrusive?  There is a special kind of registration that allows one to circumvent certain regulations.  People were using that as a loophole to avoid inspections on clapped out garbage.  Loophole is now closed.

The way the article is written, all "classic" cars require that special registration.  I highly doubt that is the case.

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

When I read how much some love more and more intrusive regulation, I often think about Orwell.  

Think about it all you want, that's a really quite silly overstatement of the situation at hand.

"I asked for a triple cappucino and they gave me a double. TYRRANY! The land must be watered with the blood of the patriots!!"