Are any of the NC's DI? Keith, continuing Adrian's line of thought, what are your thoughts on tuning miata power adders w/ DI stock?
Are any of the NC's DI? Keith, continuing Adrian's line of thought, what are your thoughts on tuning miata power adders w/ DI stock?
Forgot to mention in previous post, WTF on the 4-lug wheels? I know they went OCD on paring down weight... but that will limit wheel selection quite a bit.
Just remember: Count the ounces and the the pounds will come.
jsquared wrote: Forgot to mention in previous post, WTF on the 4-lug wheels? I know they went OCD on paring down weight... but that will limit wheel selection quite a bit.
Why? Assuming it's still 4x100 there are gazzillions of wheels in all sizes out there.
I like it from what I have seen of it. Funny choice on Duran Duran - it's like they believe the stereotype that Miatas are driven by hairdressers. Is their demographic for this car primarily 40-50 year old women? I'm guessing they were not tuning in to watch a live streaming unveiling. Strange.
jsquared wrote: Forgot to mention in previous post, WTF on the 4-lug wheels? I know they went OCD on paring down weight... but that will limit wheel selection quite a bit.
What makes 5 lugs better than four? especially for a car this small.
Two generations of Miatas were 4 lug, plus most wheels are custom drilled regardless. Wheels will be available.
Keep it 4x100 and the same offset and there are 1000's of people who already have autocross wheels in their garage. Makes buying an easier decision. Makes me wish I kept my 6ul's.
Told ya this would be a long thread!
I don't hate it. But it does not speak to me in the way that the NA Miata or the FRS did when I saw them; those I wanted to the point of need.
I will wait to see it in the flesh before I pass judgment.
Someone needs to tell the idiot who was going around explaining the design that "You should not have to explain good design." Design is a statement in itself.
Have not got around to the mechanical specs yet, other than it is lighter. That is good. Very good. I agree that I would want to rip the stand-up screen off the dash.
mazdeuce wrote:Adrian_Thompson wrote:Because I don't like open air motoring. I don't want a convertible. Buying a convertible and then leaving the top up, or putting a hard top on is a compromise that pisses me off. I know there was a time when 'roadster' and 'sports car' were synonymous, but in modern times that's backwards. The hard top is the real sporting version and the convertible is the gold chain mustache trying to pick up chicks half my age version.mazdeuce wrote: I just had a dream on the way to drop the kids at school. What if they released a "track" version with a fixed roof with a Gurney bubble for helmet clearance. A fastback with tie downs in the floor for wheels. It could out 86 the 86. There HAS to be someone at Mazda that can think of something like this. They made that very limited Japan only fixed top NB didn't they? Call the guy who penned that and get him working!I honestly don't get why people don't like drop tops. But if you really want a hard top why not buy a power retractable hard top version, gut the mechanism. Build a roll bar and screw, weld, fiberglass the hard top in place?
This. I don't really want to have the top down 99.9% of the time, and a hardtop convertible just adds cost, complexity, and weight. Buying a new car and then gutting a hardtop and welding stuff doesn't seem like a sensible MO, lol. But really my main beef with the Miata is the total lack of interior space for anything other than 2 passengers and maybe a couple small bags. My DD doubles as my utility vehicle for anything that isn't huge enough to warrant getting the truck out. A BRZ is roughly the same size as the Miata but has far, far more utility for day-to-day use.
Also, while I will agree that new verts are much stiffer chassis than older ones, all other things being equal a Miata vert will not have the chassis stiffness of a miata with a fixed roof....simply a fact of engineering.
Looks like a panoz, like really really like a panoz with all the Danny removed.
Danny'fied panoz
Mazda Miata "Panoz"
mazdeuce wrote: Keep it 4x100 and the same offset and there are 1000's of people who already have autocross wheels in their garage. Makes buying an easier decision. Makes me wish I kept my 6ul's.
15s may or may not fit over the brakes.
If it comes in green, I am buying one.
Am I the only one that think it looks like a catfish? I love that it does.
codrus wrote:mazdeuce wrote: Keep it 4x100 and the same offset and there are 1000's of people who already have autocross wheels in their garage. Makes buying an easier decision. Makes me wish I kept my 6ul's.15s may or may not fit over the brakes.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10574362_10152318965531631_6027440339647552912_n.jpg?oh=b7882fe9b4dfbe6f688ab19cfcd877f7&oe=546104C5&gda=1416784570_cb8a73b99eedb876867775d72ce887e5
Those brakes don't look very big.
Hasbro wrote: A smaller mouth and and a little more Jaguar rake to the fast back. 2,250 lbs, at least 180 na stock hp. I'd be hooked.
I'm sure since it's an asian car you will have like 50 different choices on front bumper replacements to get rid of the koi mouth.
The BRZ is about a foot longer than the MX-5. You can't expect a heck of a lot of room. At least the wheelbase is 50MM longer than the NA so it should be a little more roomy for the taller drivers like myself. If it's close to the NC like they said then I'm happy.
NOHOME wrote: Told ya this would be a long thread! I don't hate it. But it does not speak to me in the way that the NA Miata or the FRS did when I saw them; those I wanted to the point of need. I will wait to see it in the flesh before I pass judgment. Someone needs to tell the idiot who was going around explaining the design that "You should not have to explain good design." Design is a statement in itself. Have not got around to the mechanical specs yet, other than it is lighter. That is good. Very good. I agree that I would want to rip the stand-up screen off the dash.
Same here. I'm reserving judgement until I can see one in person. Still confounded by the update via smartphone thing.
Timeormoney wrote: Looks like a panoz, like really really like a panoz with all the Danny removed. Danny'fied panoz
Glad I'm not the only one who sees Esperante.
Personally i'm not a fan of the front (headlights) from certain angles. Other angles I love. It could look like the old one for all I care, if it really is lighter and smaller than the outgoing one with skyactive mileage, I want one really bad.
nderwater wrote:Swank Force One wrote:Yes Please.
I'm with this guy. rip out the convertible guts, just give me a hard top like this. I don't care if it's permanently welded on, I don't like convertibles. I don't even like a sunroof.
irish44j wrote: But really my main beef with the Miata is the total lack of interior space for anything other than 2 passengers and maybe a couple small bags. My DD doubles as my utility vehicle for anything that isn't huge enough to warrant getting the truck out.
I've DD'd Miatas for 14 years now, sometimes as my only car. Anyone who claims there isn't enough room needs to take a serious look at their lifestyle. Months worth of groceries? Check. Week long vacation for two? Check. Trip to Home Depot not involving sheets of plywood? Check. With the top down there is MORE room than a BRZ. Unless you are a Sasquatch or have a fetish to take a years worth of zombie survival gear with you everywhere, there is no reason a Miata doesn't have plenty of room to be your only car/DD. A fixed roof will only make it smaller and less useful.
agreed on not needing more room than a miata for almost all driving. OTOH I have a kid now, so I do kinda need seating for me, kid, and SWMBO. That's what SWMBO's car is for.
My old van is large enough to fit a miata inside if not for the seating. it was helpful for the 3 moves and the maybe half a dozen times I needed to move 12' boards. 99% of the rest of the time all it does is provide a deep expanse hiding a disturbingly large and growing collection of empty mt.dew bottles, complete with shag carpet and wood trim. I once found a bottle of Mt.Dew still full under the back seat... from 4 years earlier.
For the record, it had bits of crap floating in it and it tasted disgusting. Yes, I had to try it. For science.
Junkyard_Dog wrote:irish44j wrote: But really my main beef with the Miata is the total lack of interior space for anything other than 2 passengers and maybe a couple small bags. My DD doubles as my utility vehicle for anything that isn't huge enough to warrant getting the truck out.I've DD'd Miatas for 14 years now, sometimes as my only car. Anyone who claims there isn't enough room needs to take a serious look at their lifestyle. Months worth of groceries? Check. Week long vacation for two? Check. Trip to Home Depot not involving sheets of plywood? Check. With the top down there is MORE room than a BRZ. Unless you are a Sasquatch or have a fetish to take a years worth of zombie survival gear with you everywhere, there is no reason a Miata doesn't have plenty of room to be your only car/DD. A fixed roof will only make it smaller and less useful.
Word....
I've been daily-ing a miata since about 1996, and there's plenty of room! I moved every year for at least a decade too, and I could cram most of my belongings into that cram-hole. I think people suffer from the "more needs more" syndrome. You fill up a decent sized house with a bunch of crap, you instantly think you outgrew it so you "upgrade" to a bigger one... then a bigger one, and so on. I've got two kids and we've managed no problem with having one four seater for several years. Spitfire too. Bigger vehicles are certainly great, but owning small vehicles has really made me realize what is really necessary.
-Hamid
nderwater wrote:Swank Force One wrote:Yes Please.
I want the convertible but please, pretty please make this the factory hard top.
Will someone tell Mazda the dark/black wheel thing has played out. I think it ruins the look of the reveal car. /flamesuit on/
Junkyard_Dog wrote:irish44j wrote: But really my main beef with the Miata is the total lack of interior space for anything other than 2 passengers and maybe a couple small bags. My DD doubles as my utility vehicle for anything that isn't huge enough to warrant getting the truck out.I've DD'd Miatas for 14 years now, sometimes as my only car. Anyone who claims there isn't enough room needs to take a serious look at their lifestyle. Months worth of groceries? Check. Week long vacation for two? Check. Trip to Home Depot not involving sheets of plywood? Check. With the top down there is MORE room than a BRZ. Unless you are a Sasquatch or have a fetish to take a years worth of zombie survival gear with you everywhere, there is no reason a Miata doesn't have plenty of room to be your only car/DD. A fixed roof will only make it smaller and less useful.
I can pile E36 M3 in the passenger seat of any car, big deal. I'm talking about actual cargo space that ISN'T sitting on the front seat (what if there's a passenger?) You want to put 4 bags of mulch in your Miata's seat? How about 4 bags of concrete? Or 4 track tires? All of those things can be carried (in a rainstorm, or on a 15-degree winter day) in a small hatchback (I know this for a fact, seeing as my Triumph GT6 has carried all of those things over the years). And what do you know....the GT6 is essentially just a fastback version of the "original" popular roadster, the Spitfire, which I've also owned, and which has MUCH LESS enclosed cargo area than the GT6.
Your lifestyle involves you picking up groceries in your Miata. My "lifestyle" sometimes requires me to pick up a set of tires, or a couple pieces of lumber on a rainy day at lunch or on the way home from work. Not exactly sure why I need to "examine" such a lifestyle. I just don't want to drive all the way home and get the gas-guzzling SUV for 4 bags of concrete. In any case, if I want a Miata with a fastback, I'm not sure why you have a problem with that. It's not like the Miata is some rare vintage vert that someone would be "ruining" by making a fastback version (and not like the GT6 somehow ruined the Spitfire that it was based on).
As much love as you guys have for Miatas, one would think you'd want the car to appeal to other people as well by having other choices/versions of it for people like me who won't ever buy one as long as its only a vert.
Or is it that some Miata folks are scared that a hardtop/fastback Miata would turn out to be a better car than the original?
I have too much stuff. I have four kids for berkeleys sake. I'm pretty much a poster child for poor life's decisions when it comes to enjoying small cars.
Really though, go look at Irish's GT6 and the sprite. Now go look at a Z3 and an Mcoupe. If you can't look at those two pairs and realize that at some level both body styles have advantages, I don't even know what to say. Nobody is advocating the abolishment of the Miata as a roadster, we just want a coupe option. It's what we prefer. There are so many hard top/convertible pairs out there, Corvettes and 911's and Jaguars and even the Boxter/Cayman twins. I just think there is room in the stable for a hardtop Miata. I think there are people that would buy one that wouldn't buy a convertible one. I think Mazda should build one.
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