SKJSS (formerly Klayfish)
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) UltimaDork
10/16/24 2:41 p.m.

Yes, yes, I know.  I change cars as often as some people change underwear.  However those are more often "toys" than daily drivers.  Over the past years I've settled into having some form of BMW E90/82 consistently, as well as a truck/tow pig.  As I'm finishing up my second motorsports season living mostly on the road, my needs/priorities for a large vehicle are getting more focused and I want to find the right fit.  I asked a similar question before, but it was a while ago and I'm more dialed in now.  Here are the factors in play:

Whatever I get will be used as back up transportation when we're not on the road, with the BMW as primary.

Our traveling with said large vehicle will be sporadic.  We may go two months without needing it because we fly everywhere, then we may go 4 straight weeks using it to drive city to city.  Basically we're thinking < 8 hour drives, or longer drives if we're doing back to back to back events within the same geographical region.

The vehicle probably needs to be an SUV.  Pick up trucks have traditional back seats.  I have a 100lb black lab who will be riding with us.  For an 8 hour drive, I'd much prefer something with a large flat floor for her to be able to lay in more than just one position.  We also need room for our luggage and maybe a mini 12V fridge.  Minivan is ideal, but lacks towing capability.

We will bring a bumper pull RV fairly often.  We've done the Goldilocks approach.  Our first was like 22' and was too small.  Our current is 37' and while we absolutely love it, it's too big for easy tow/drop/pick up/tow/drop/pick up.  We're thinking 30-ish feet, < 7000lbs roughly. 

We'd prefer to stay under $10k, but can go a bit higher as needed.  Don't want something from 199x, I'd prefer something around 2007+.  I'll of course be looking for a documented service history with something old/high mileage.

What say you?  '07-'09 Suburban/Yukon XL?  Same year Tahoe/Yukon?  '12+ Expedition/Armada?  Would a hemi Durango fit the bill?  The Sequoia and Land Bruiser are probably out of price range, along with Escalade and Navigator.  

mtn
mtn MegaDork
10/16/24 5:25 p.m.

I think you're on the right track with Suburban/Tahoe/Yukon. Don't forget to include the Escalade in the search but they'll probably be too expensive or too worn out compared to the GMC/bowtie models. 
 

I wouldn't rule out the Sequoia, they seem to go for less than they should. Also, don't forget about the Lexus GX. They seem to go for less than comparable 4Runners and Land Cruisers. 
 

5 of my family members, including myself, have really disliked the Armada that we rented for a road trip. It didn't do anything wrong, but we found ourselves continuously annoyed with the car.

Purple Frog
Purple Frog GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/16/24 5:41 p.m.

7,000 lbs. of towing ability really narrows the field.   $10K price limit lowers the field even more.

SKJSS (formerly Klayfish)
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) UltimaDork
10/16/24 6:10 p.m.

7000lbs of towing is a ballpark, I'm sure we could get by with 6000lbs.  Just can't work with a minivan that's limited to 3500lbs.  

Anyone have experience with the "mid size" SUVs?  Explorer, etc...  Are they very roomy with all seats down/out?

Chris Tropea
Chris Tropea Associate Editor
10/16/24 6:15 p.m.

What about a Nissan Armada? I am not sure what you get for $10k but I believe that would fit all the requirements and could potentially be a little lower priced than other makes. 

Driven5
Driven5 PowerDork
10/16/24 6:28 p.m.
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) said:

Pick up trucks have traditional back seats.

Depends on the truck...

 

At least the 09-14 F-150 'supercrew' has a large flat rear floor, with more than enough room (standing, sitting, or laying) for any dog, placed at a significantly easier height for them to get in/out as they age vs the back of a full-frame SUV.

Thinking back to the Suburban we looked at before buying our F150, sure acres of space in back for a large dog to lay out, but also probably a bit short on height for sitting and standing.

What about a full size, 3/4 ton van? 

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
10/16/24 6:41 p.m.

You're coming off a long bed, crew cab Super Duty.  Do you like it enough to do the SUV version of that same thing...Excursion?  
You're typically not adverse to higher mileage vehicles and they arr old enough to fit your price range.  That range might not get you a Diesel 4wd but I'll bet a V10 2wd

Your Super Duty is spartan XL trim.  Excursions were more often build with higher trim luxuries.  

Random Sample: Diesel 2wd w/181k @ $9.3k

SKJSS (formerly Klayfish)
SKJSS (formerly Klayfish) UltimaDork
10/16/24 7:25 p.m.

The truck is great, just lacking the giant flat floor.  The Excursion is just too old, we'd really prefer something a bit newer.

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
10/16/24 7:48 p.m.

How about something bought or built for current truck?  

yupididit
yupididit UltimaDork
10/16/24 8:07 p.m.

The nicest 7.3 excursion you could find. I had a 2wd that went all over the country, towing, people hauling etc. Drove with my ex wife and son with her car in tow from southern California through Texas in August heat. Even handled a tornado on the same trip. Was stock besides bigger transcooler. Now I have an ecoboost Expedition that replaced it. 

The Expedition knocks down the miles faster and better but doesn't tow as well. The Expedition didn't feel like a freight train though. 

If the Excursion is too old and the Ecoboost Expedition is too complicated then maybe a 6.2 Escalade.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
10/16/24 9:29 p.m.

The requirements list reads like a design brief for the Tahoe (and related siblings). For real dogproofing, get an ex-cop unit with a cage or waterproofed rear. Heck, you can probably find a K9 unit.

 

https://www.carfax.com/Used-Chevrolet-Tahoe-Police_t2359

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
10/16/24 10:27 p.m.

In reply to Driven5 :

Ford's fully flat floor isn't anything new. My '89 F-250 does that.

Loweguy5
Loweguy5 GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/16/24 10:28 p.m.

I have a 2011 Expedition I originally bought thinking I would flip it.  It's a 312a package XLT (leather, heated and cooled seats, nav, max tow pkg(9000lbs).  I bought it with 159k and it's now at 172k.  I paid $5k for it (4x4) and invested about $2k in maintenance and service work (everything got new fluids, loaded struts, 4 wheels of brakes, new tires).  We have driven it CT to MO two round trips with zero issues.  The only downside it poor fuel economy which is common to any large V8 suv and not unexpected.  I get about 12.5 in town and 16ish highway.

Don't let the 5.4 scare you.  So long as they don't have a timing chain rattle or exhaust manifold leak they are super robust engines.  

These things are SO cheap compared to a similar Tahoe and tow more with a roomier interior!  Highly recommended!

ShawnG
ShawnG MegaDork
10/16/24 10:34 p.m.

Wife unit had an Expedition Max Ecoboost as a courtesey car while her GMT400 Suburban was in the body shop.

It was very impressive for the short time we had it but way out of the budget and the Suburban is paid for and has a fresh engine.

Purple Frog
Purple Frog GRM+ Memberand Dork
10/16/24 10:51 p.m.

My 5.4 powered 2008 E350 tows my loaded enclosed trailer (5500 lb) fairly well.  200,000 happy miles.

Re-reading your original post, got me thinking.  When I was traveling a lot covering pro-races all over the east coast for 7 years the perfect setup became a used 35' gas  V10 motorhome towing a nice vehicle behind.  Also worked well the weekends when I raced towing the enclosed trailer.  And our dog was very happy on the RV all day in the paddock, and traveling down the highways.  Just saying.  Maybe an RV towing something like a SUV is in your future.

P3PPY
P3PPY GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/16/24 11:08 p.m.

I second the full-size van thing. If a minivan suited you but didn't tow enough, get a non-mini-van?

I did just look and the GRM perennial favorite Chevy Astro ended in 2005 and didn't tow nearly what you're looking for. 

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