What EV would you consider?

After seeing some of DTs reviews wouldn't mind an i3 to commute 20 miles back and forth in.

RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) said:

NickD said:

RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) said:

ProDarwin said:

I was waiting for a GTI equivalent.  Bolt was close but tall and goofy proportions.  Low end Tesla 3 has caught my interest as well.

That said, I just moved to an apartment, so no EVs are on the table as I don't have a place to charge.  If you have to rely soley on public charging, they are a non starter.

The new generation Mini Cooper EV looks like it'll play into that role.

The Mini Cooper S EV is s hoot to drive, but sadly it's rather short range (116mi) makes it a bit of a nonstarter for me.

If I had to buy one, the Ioniq5 wins just for sheer style alone, and I'd really love the Ioniq5 N. But pricey for my means though

Well I'm mostly referring to the next generation one that is supposed to be released in a year or two which will basically have double the range.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Hopefully they keep it as fun to drive, because the current one is quite brilliant. 

The Wolf pickup is cool. But how long will it be before they put charging stations on off road trails? 

Any word on the Tesla 2 yet? Or anything else like it? I could see having a small, cheap hatchback to commute and take to the supermarket and larger gas powered car for weekends. My office has charging stations. Where I go on weekends, not so much.

In reply to NickD :

The Mini Cooper S EV is s hoot to drive, but sadly it's rather short range (116mi) makes it a bit of a nonstarter for me.

This interests me...

Have you driven a MINI Cooper S gas burner?  I've always thought they were a hoot to drive, but the EV weight penalty seems like it might take some of the fun away.

How would you compare them?

NickD said:

RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) said:

NickD said:

RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) said:

ProDarwin said:

I was waiting for a GTI equivalent.  Bolt was close but tall and goofy proportions.  Low end Tesla 3 has caught my interest as well.

That said, I just moved to an apartment, so no EVs are on the table as I don't have a place to charge.  If you have to rely soley on public charging, they are a non starter.

The new generation Mini Cooper EV looks like it'll play into that role.

The Mini Cooper S EV is s hoot to drive, but sadly it's rather short range (116mi) makes it a bit of a nonstarter for me.

If I had to buy one, the Ioniq5 wins just for sheer style alone, and I'd really love the Ioniq5 N. But pricey for my means though

Well I'm mostly referring to the next generation one that is supposed to be released in a year or two which will basically have double the range.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. Hopefully they keep it as fun to drive, because the current one is quite brilliant. 

There have been some release videos from UK people regarding the new one and it seems like they kept that as a goal. It just so happens that the new Mini EV is based on an actually BEV platform so it has more range, faster charging, and better interior efficiency.

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

The only thing we know about the Tesla 2 is that it is Vapor Theory, and guaranteed to start an argument. 
 

Tesla hasn't released any real info. Likely to be 2025 or later. It's would hurt the sales of the rest of their fleet, so a lot could change. 
 

Lets avoid that one for now. 

RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) said:

There have been some release videos from UK people regarding the new one and it seems like they kept that as a goal. It just so happens that the new Mini EV is based on an actually BEV platform so it has more range, faster charging, and better interior efficiency.

Just hoping they don't do what VW did.  When they went from Golf to ID3 (dedicated BEV platform), it got 4 or 5" taller.  

Is the mini eligible for a rebate?  I honestly dont know if its a $25k car or a $40k car

SV reX said:

In reply to NickD :

The Mini Cooper S EV is s hoot to drive, but sadly it's rather short range (116mi) makes it a bit of a nonstarter for me.

This interests me...

Have you driven a MINI Cooper S gas burner?  I've always thought they were a hoot to drive, but the EV weight penalty seems like it might take some of the fun away.

How would you compare them?

I've admittedly never driven a regular Mini, but the EV didn't feel as big and heavy as I was expecting. A guy brought it out to an autocross and both of us drove it and laughed our asses off the whole time. The stock tires were the biggest limiting factor 

I like the idea of the electric Cayman but I'm sure when it comes out I won't want to drop the cash on it. Maybe in 10 years I'll buy a used one lol

ProDarwin said:

RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) said:

There have been some release videos from UK people regarding the new one and it seems like they kept that as a goal. It just so happens that the new Mini EV is based on an actually BEV platform so it has more range, faster charging, and better interior efficiency.

Just hoping they don't do what VW did.  When they went from Golf to ID3 (dedicated BEV platform), it got 4 or 5" taller.  

Is the mini eligible for a rebate?  I honestly dont know if its a $25k car or a $40k car

There was a video where the driver noted he sat ever so slightly higher in the Mini EV versus the ICE version, but he felt it was "fine".

I think in America, generally most leases can be eligible for the credit. As far as buying it though, that is to be determined. The new Mini EV is associated with Great Wall Motors (China) so it may be manufactured there and they might have to do what Volvo is doing and mix and match production in America to make up for the fact that its made in China.

ProDarwin said:

RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) said:

There have been some release videos from UK people regarding the new one and it seems like they kept that as a goal. It just so happens that the new Mini EV is based on an actually BEV platform so it has more range, faster charging, and better interior efficiency.

Just hoping they don't do what VW did.  When they went from Golf to ID3 (dedicated BEV platform), it got 4 or 5" taller.  

Is the mini eligible for a rebate?  I honestly dont know if its a $25k car or a $40k car

The build location determines eligibility. North American build ( Canada, USA, Mexico )  car and batteries.  ( actually the batteries can be made in China as long as 40% of content comes from approved sources like Australia, certain South American companies. Or the US . 
  That and price. ( plus income but a married couple can earn up to $250,000 year ) 

frenchyd said:

In reply to RyanGreener (Forum Supporter) :

I've heard some very good comments about the new VW ID3 .  However  on the rare chance that I take a long road trip I love the speed of charging using the Tesla  supercharging System.  Plus their reliability and the great number of them I've seen. Compared to finding the slow charging EA system seemingly well hidden with its unreliability.   

Will that eventually be sold in the USA? Not sure. Also, right now VW's software for their EVs is pretty bad. A lot of complaints from ID.4 owners.

Something the size of a Chevy Astro van that was Hybrid,

With a 30-50 mile range on EV power  only to use around town.

In reply to NickD :

I laugh my ass off every time I drive a MINI.

I'll have to try an EV one. 

Flynlow (FS) said:

In reply to preach :

I am waiting for a Civic Si, VW GTI, or something similar, with decent driving dynamics and 300+ mile range.  Reading articles like this:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g29994375/future-electric-cars-trucks/

Makes me worried that i'll be waiting a few years.  Theres too much SUV love (and profit) to cater to enthusiasts yet.  

A close 2nd would be a lexus isf/is500 type car thats all electric.  I think toyota would be a step above the germans when it comes to long term reliability, which is why the i4, taycan and similar don't really interest me.  
 

May I suggest you try a Tesla Model 3 performance before you condemn all EV's ?   I was shocked at how fast it was.   Using the same throttle position I use on my V8 F150  to get up the hill I was doing 40+ mph where the truck would barely reach 25. 
  As far as reliability. Our past preconceptions just don't seem to apply.  At this point the Japanese car companies only have .0o3 % of new cars as EV's   And the best selling EV is the Tesla Model Y  followed by BYD  and then Tesla model 3 

BYD  is mostly sold in China.  And in Europe they  haven't taken well to them.   In Europe Tesla is #1&2  same with here in America. 
        As far as reliability there is already a early Tesla  with a million miles on it.  The Tesla forum has plenty with 300,000+ miles on them already. 
   Read what Kieth Tanner's experience  with his Tesla is.  Come to my neighborhood and chat with Tesla owners. 

frenchyd said:

gixxeropa said:

I like the idea of the electric Cayman but I'm sure when it comes out I won't want to drop the cash on it. Maybe in 10 years I'll buy a used one lol

The good news is so far EV's have terrible resale value  not because they are bad. But out of fear of anything new. 

Interesting. That must vary by region. I live in an area that tries hard to be green, and used EVs hold their value just fine. My Dr Demento mind wants  to take a knife to an existing Ev and do something like this: 

I find myself really wanting an Ioniq 5. To the point I park next to them just so I can check them out. 

I am just not willing to pay 50K for one and now I learn they discontinued them.

In reply to Trent :

I hadn't heard anything about Ioniq 5s being discontinued. Source?

frenchyd said:

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

The Wolf pickup is cool. But how long will it be before they put charging stations on off road trails? 

Any word on the Tesla 2 yet? Or anything else like it? I could see having a small, cheap hatchback to commute and take to the supermarket and larger gas powered car for weekends. My office has charging stations. Where I go on weekends, not so much.

They are building the assembly plant  for the Tesla  model 2. in Mexico.   If they get it built as fast as in China  they should have them available in 3/4 2024.  There are prototypes running. Around in China now. 
    However it might not occur until 2025 if you want to accept the pessimistic approach. 
    That is the car to put a $100 deposit on as soon as it's available.  Elon Musk is anticipating 2 million a year out of 4 factories China, Mexico, India and Germany. 

I'm not going to put a deposit on anything. Especially anything involving Elon. I will wait till it's been delivered, tested by magazines and available for immediate delivery in three different colors.

This is one case where I don't want to be the first one on the block.