Haha this is from my hometowns local new paper, nothing good comes out of Mississippi...well except the blues.
Haha this is from my hometowns local new paper, nothing good comes out of Mississippi...well except the blues.
I strongly disagree Alfa driver. This is not one of those rules. Nobody buys a s15 Silvia as a commuter car. This is a sports car, for general fun. It's like when I bought my celica. And then came home and found out it had tons of rust. Am I mad? Nope. Was it fair? Yep. Because ultimately the responsibility to know things is left entirely to me. Not the law. If someone swaps out te odometer for a lower one, who will know? What law protects that? This is a ridiculous law that needs abolished. The japanese standards for emissions are FAAARRRR stricter than Los angeles will ever be. You have to get a new motor at 35k....
In reply to chiodos:
and me. Though I'm biased on that one.
moparman76_69 wrote: In reply to chiodos: and me. Though I'm biased on that one.
Nice where from? I thought about including myself but I know im no better than this dumbass who got arrested for a contraband nissan
Trackmouse wrote: I strongly disagree Alfa driver. This is not one of those rules. Nobody buys a s15 Silvia as a commuter car. This is a sports car, for general fun. It's like when I bought my celica. And then came home and found out it had tons of rust. Am I mad? Nope. Was it fair? Yep. Because ultimately the responsibility to know things is left entirely to me. Not the law. If someone swaps out te odometer for a lower one, who will know? What law protects that? This is a ridiculous law that needs abolished. The japanese standards for emissions are FAAARRRR stricter than Los angeles will ever be. You have to get a new motor at 35k....
You may be one that does that, but you don't KNOW that- which is the point. It's funny that you put the responsibility of wrong doing onto the victim. Not sure how YOU accepting that is ok for everyone. I'm not ok being lied to. I know it's major fraud to flasify car milage. I don't get the whole blame the victim standpoint. Based on that thinking, you would be ok that a gas station gives you .95 gal of gas when they tell you its 1.0 gallon.
As for the emissions laws, Japan is NOT stricter than the US, nor Californa. Just because they have a forced obsolencence milege does not mean they are cleaner. All it means is their new car makers have a consistent market since people have get cars every so often, unless they want high taxes. Like the law we are talking about- Japan has laws that protect both their dealers and their manufacturers. Shocking.
But if you are all ok with people duming garbage on your lawn, and lying to you about what they are selling to you- as it's YOUR fault as the person taking it- well, I can't change your minds.
My job is done here. Have explained it enough- see that you are ok with people taking your rights away from you right to your face.
alfadriver wrote: But if you are all ok with people duming garbage on your lawn, Have explained it enough- see that you are ok with people taking your rights away from you right to your face.
The whole point is taking rights away from us. It's a berkeleying car. No need to respond the way the authorities did. Too many rules about things that have no need to have rules about.
Vigo (and I) was talking about the limp wristed "just follow the rules (no matter what they are and how they came about) and you'll be ok" attitude that is what England shoved down the colonists throats, and why we are a nation of our own now. A nation that is turning into a bunch of namby pamby busybodies that think they know better than the rest of us and make rules about all the minutae of life. And people like you support that and run around yelliong at us that we're supposed to do nothing but go along like good little drones and not think.
We're not talking about dumping garbage on your lawn, or murdering people just because you feel like it. We're talking about corporate lobbied "laws" that were made to protect profits (and in this case, profits for a foreign company!). Sorry, those laws don't need to be in place and they certainly don't need to be punished to this level.
In reply to Chris_V:
Agreed! I can see alfa's point on it being a law to protect the innocent (innocent minded anyway, aka stupid people that refuse to learn how to change a tire) but the severity of this "crime" is outrageous. He wasn't trying to sell the car, right? He just wanted a toy to hoon around in. And who of us would deny anyone that privilege?
Actually- maybe that's what the law should change to. "you may import, but never sell."
Well, I see the "Woe is us for we cannot haz 1-24yo vehicles that were never approved for the US" crowd has arrived.....the law is stupid, but without getting it fixed, deal with it......
Seriously, these people complaining about getting busted for breaking this law knew what they were doing wasn't legal. Strangely enough, I think we'll get new production of full auto firearms before the 25yr nonconforming import ban is lifted..... Far more people care about correcting the NFA than nonconforming auto imports.
In Georgia there is a little box on the title you can check that says "The mileage shown is not the actual mileage" or something of the sort so that people can sell a car with a mileage discrepancy without committing fraud. If there were another box that said "The VIN shown is not the actual VIN", then this could all be fine. People who stumble upon a vin swapped skyline while shopping for a Taurus wouldn't be deceived, and something as stupid as a randomly generated 17 digit number wouldn't be enough to keep a person from buying something they want.
And no way was there fraud involved in the sale to the dude in SC. If you are buying a newer than 25 year skyline, you know what you're buying. Nobody is deceived into thinking it's a Camry.
I'm a libertarian, I hate laws like this and punishments like this on principle, regardless of whether I personally want a grey market import car. If you think it's about simply wanting a grey market car, then you've completely missed the plot on what Vigo and I have been saying. I have a problem with the attitude of "just deal with the law, even if it's stupid, obey it and you'll be fine" that is becoming pervasive and is the antithesis of why this country was founded. Just think what would have happened if our founding fathers had listened to the "just obey the law and you'll be fine" statements from Parliament... If the law is unjust, stupid, and ridiculous, AND you can't vote it out without mor emoney6 than the corporate lobbyists youre competing agains, then civil disobedience is a viable option. Of course, I'm talking to people that have never broken a law they disagreed with in their lives, like maybe driving faster than the law allows...
And your last line really points out the idiocy of both the rules and the punishment. Few people care. Why care about a few imported cars? The vast majority of people wouldn't go through the trouble to import one even if it was legal. And it's not about safety, otherwise older cars would be MORE illegal, and it's not about emissions, for the same reason. It's ONLY about competing with current foreign manufacturers, and why are we making laws about that again? Oh, right, lobbyist money.
In reply to Chris_V:
Something something we're stuck with it even if we don't agree with it. Believe me, this and the nfa law should have never existed in the first place....but for some reason, your posts come off as that because you don't agree with a law on the books that you shouldn't have to follow it.
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