yamaha - all others have have CVTs this one is a sequential gearbox
the honda will be out soon with a dual clutch twin cylinder which is tempting but its also about 22k...
yamaha - all others have have CVTs this one is a sequential gearbox
the honda will be out soon with a dual clutch twin cylinder which is tempting but its also about 22k...
berkeley those are expensive.
It would be nice if Exocets were legal for the class. But alas, that is a mega track width.
I'm going to laugh when $500 turds are faster through any course with slaloms than $25k SXS are
Interesting what will happen with this. The Detroit Region is already very full without SXS, and MI has hundreds of miles of ORV trails for SXS use. I don't see this taking off at least in our region unfortunately.
engiekev said:Interesting what will happen with this. The Detroit Region is already very full without SXS, and MI has hundreds of miles of ORV trails for SXS use. I don't see this taking off at least in our region unfortunately.
not for our region but other regions struggle to get 30 entrants.
with the capability and ease of service I am tempted for my next rally car to be a sxs.
fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:engiekev said:Interesting what will happen with this. The Detroit Region is already very full without SXS, and MI has hundreds of miles of ORV trails for SXS use. I don't see this taking off at least in our region unfortunately.
not for our region but other regions struggle to get 30 entrants.
with the capability and ease of service I am tempted for my next rally car to be a sxs.
Wow, I just looked up NASA rules. I had not realized there was a SxS class. Seems like a really good idea, as long as they don’t have problems getting permission to transit on roads.
Too bad they didn't do this a few years ago. We might still have a rallycross program. We asked several times, we even had a discussion about it here on the forum and got back a hard NO. No way, no how. Never happen. The leadership wasn't interested.
The SCCA always seems to be a day late and a dollar short when it comes to recognizing trends and that is a shame.
I'm an outlier here as I'm not a fan of the idea of having SxS in Rallycross. It's not due to lack of fun, or cost of operation, it's due to noise. As strange as it sounds, several site or former site locations have had issues with volume levels from cars. Having braaaap machines will not help the cause. If you're going to have something that is towed in and doesn't need to be registered, just pick up an old IT class car, sell the struts and springs and swap stock suspension or hotbits on it (if available for the application) and send it.
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
My SXS is much quieter than most of the rallycross cars we had show up. It's even quieter than most of the autocross cars we get.
In reply to captdownshift (Forum Supporter) :
Noise is a problem at many sites, which is where the rule about meeting local noise restrictions came in. (Locally we had one site with a 94db restriction.)
Or the rule that says that two certain officials may exclude any vehicle at any time during competition, for any reason. A catchall for all those situations you can't write a rule for in advance. That's why the ruleset is not 400 pages long.
engiekev said:Interesting what will happen with this. The Detroit Region is already very full without SXS, and MI has hundreds of miles of ORV trails for SXS use. I don't see this taking off at least in our region unfortunately.
It's a regional program now, so it's up to the regions whether or not to offer the class. No real incentive for Detroit to offer it to begin with, and I'm pretty sure they're not really interested in it anyway.
In reply to Toyman01 (Forum Supporter) :
I also suspect that we'll see a large number of EV SxS on the market within 5 years that will negate the noise issue. Aftermarket exhaust on them is an issue up this way.
ProDarwin said:berkeley those are expensive.
It would be nice if Exocets were legal for the class. But alas, that is a mega track width.
I'm going to laugh when $500 turds are faster through any course with slaloms than $25k SXS are
That won't be the norm. The Firm, rally school in FL, hosts non-Scca rallycross events fairly regularly. They recently allowed SXSs to join. They were fast and more nimble. They had the FTD and most of them were faster than the fastest cars.
i mean a turbo rzr makes 150ish hp and weighs 1400lbs, the turbo yzx's make 200 and weigh 1500lbs
In reply to Lof8 - Andy :
I will believe it when I see it. The side by side racing videos that have data overlays I have seen suggest they cannot accelerate or corner very hard.
Of course the BS stops when the stopwatch does, course conditions and layout and driver all matter, etc.
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
The spec sheets for the fast SxS suggest a sub 5 second 0-60. A locked rear axle an open diff in the front means it should put power down ok. I have yet to see a video of a good driver on a course. Maybe someone should get Brianne Corn into one of these and record the run.
I am curious how open the rules are going to be for modding these things. The fun for me comes from chucking a car into a corner and sliding sideways to slow down. I am not sure if that is going to be doable safely with the soft springs and long travel suspension on the stock vehicles. On the other hand, you don't really want a 30 year old Honda FL400 with a widened track to be the vehicle to have because it weighs half of the modern ones.
fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:engiekev said:Interesting what will happen with this. The Detroit Region is already very full without SXS, and MI has hundreds of miles of ORV trails for SXS use. I don't see this taking off at least in our region unfortunately.
not for our region but other regions struggle to get 30 entrants.
with the capability and ease of service I am tempted for my next rally car to be a sxs.
Plus you can now title and plate SXS in MI, better get on that fast!
I think with SXS there is the temptation to just take it to trails and mess about, instead of particpating in rally. But at least that gives the option for tons of seat time for practice and testing.
They look like a blast, but in my region, one of the appeals of RallyX over autoX is that the fields aren't too big. I never liked spending most of a day to get three runs in, and if the UTVs catch on, they could be a victim of their own success.
Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:They look like a blast, but in my region, one of the appeals of RallyX over autoX is that the fields aren't too big. I never liked spending most of a day to get three runs in, and if the UTVs catch on, they could be a victim of their own success.
Interesting. But small field = less competition = less fun (to me).
I'd rather have 3 runs with high competition value than 6 or 10 runs with nobody to really run against.
Lof8 - Andy said:ProDarwin said:berkeley those are expensive.
It would be nice if Exocets were legal for the class. But alas, that is a mega track width.
I'm going to laugh when $500 turds are faster through any course with slaloms than $25k SXS are
That won't be the norm. The Firm, rally school in FL, hosts non-Scca rallycross events fairly regularly. They recently allowed SXSs to join. They were fast and more nimble. They had the FTD and most of them were faster than the fastest cars.
Oh I believe the good ones are really fast. That said, if you have a course with a lot of tight spots/slaloms in it, an extra 6-10" of track width makes a big difference.
In reply to MrChaos :
You can BP swap and turbo a BG chassis 323 and make 220-230 reliable horsepower put down through a limited slip, come in under 2000lb and be able to tag it and drive it to and from events. Or if you'd prefer, give up some stability and go with a Festiva and come in around 1650lb with the same drivetrain and use advantages. All at a cost of under $3000. (Under $2000 if you take your time hunting for sales and boneyard hunting MSP to raid their transmissions for the limited slip)
ojannen said:In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
The spec sheets for the fast SxS suggest a sub 5 second 0-60. A locked rear axle an open diff in the front means it should put power down ok. I have yet to see a video of a good driver on a course. Maybe someone should get Brianne Corn into one of these and record the run.
That is not significantly quicker than a decently prepped car, though, and slower than a few I can think of, and I haven't seen any videos of them pulling more then .6-7g in corners. A decently set up car will be able to pull much more than that.
It will be interesting to see!
fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:yamaha - all others have have CVTs this one is a sequential gearbox
the honda will be out soon with a dual clutch twin cylinder which is tempting but its also about 22k...
Did all years YXZ have a sequential transmission? Looks like some of the early ones came with 3 pedals, and recommended clutch-in for upshifts which seems odd for a sequential transmission.
fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:yamaha - all others have have CVTs this one is a sequential gearbox
the honda will be out soon with a dual clutch twin cylinder which is tempting but its also about 22k...
The Honda Pioneer is another exception, it has a manually shiftable slushbox.
+1 for YXZ1000R.
eastsideTim said:fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:engiekev said:Interesting what will happen with this. The Detroit Region is already very full without SXS, and MI has hundreds of miles of ORV trails for SXS use. I don't see this taking off at least in our region unfortunately.
not for our region but other regions struggle to get 30 entrants.
with the capability and ease of service I am tempted for my next rally car to be a sxs.
Wow, I just looked up NASA rules. I had not realized there was a SxS class. Seems like a really good idea, as long as they don’t have problems getting permission to transit on roads.
ARA has them as a class as well but its very limited participation. Also some states don't allow you to plate the SXS so that makes it harder to transit on public roads.
engiekev said:fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:yamaha - all others have have CVTs this one is a sequential gearbox
the honda will be out soon with a dual clutch twin cylinder which is tempting but its also about 22k...
Did all years YXZ have a sequential transmission? Looks like some of the early ones came with 3 pedals, and recommended clutch-in for upshifts which seems odd for a sequential transmission.
I believe so, I drove a 16 or 17 it was A TOTAL berkeleyING RIOTTT!!! the clutch is optional for shifting and optional for clutch kicking corners too :)
fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:eastsideTim said:fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:engiekev said:Interesting what will happen with this. The Detroit Region is already very full without SXS, and MI has hundreds of miles of ORV trails for SXS use. I don't see this taking off at least in our region unfortunately.
not for our region but other regions struggle to get 30 entrants.
with the capability and ease of service I am tempted for my next rally car to be a sxs.
Wow, I just looked up NASA rules. I had not realized there was a SxS class. Seems like a really good idea, as long as they don’t have problems getting permission to transit on roads.
ARA has them as a class as well but its very limited participation. Also some states don't allow you to plate the SXS so that makes it harder to transit on public roads.
engiekev said:fidelity101 (Forum Supporter) said:yamaha - all others have have CVTs this one is a sequential gearbox
the honda will be out soon with a dual clutch twin cylinder which is tempting but its also about 22k...
Did all years YXZ have a sequential transmission? Looks like some of the early ones came with 3 pedals, and recommended clutch-in for upshifts which seems odd for a sequential transmission.
I believe so, I drove a 16 or 17 it was A TOTAL berkeleyING RIOTTT!!! the clutch is optional for shifting and optional for clutch kicking corners too :)
But they don't have a rotary! :(
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