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Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
3/21/16 8:19 a.m.

So, the title is really the question. What's the most successful high power FWD car that's run in a major international road race series? I'm not counting the aborted Nissan prototype that they gave up on. Production based I'm thinking old Super Touring, touring cars or F2 rally cars from the late 90's. the Super Touring cars were running over 300 hp form 2.0L NA engines and weighed 2,150 lb's. The old F2 rally cars were similar specs although a hair less power and could beat the 4WD WRC cars on dry stages with less power, less torque and obviously less weight.

HAve there been any real monster production based FWD cars I'm forgetting?

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/21/16 8:23 a.m.

There have been more powerful FWD cars that have won international race series, but not road race.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/21/16 8:54 a.m.

NickD
NickD HalfDork
3/21/16 9:08 a.m.

Chris Rado's ungodly 1200hp FWD Scion Tc time-attack amchine count?

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
3/21/16 9:15 a.m.
NickD wrote: Chris Rado's ungodly 1200hp FWD Scion Tc time-attack amchine count?

Much as it pains me, and it may not be an international series, but I guess so. What did it compete with RWD head to head in the same class?

racerfink
racerfink SuperDork
3/21/16 9:49 a.m.

Dodge Daytona IMSA GTU car

mtn
mtn MegaDork
3/21/16 10:04 a.m.

I feel like you get to pick 2 of the three: Successful, high powered, and FWD.

Wall-e
Wall-e GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/21/16 10:44 a.m.

The Miller 91 was FWD, a production model, and won multiple Indy 500s.

edizzle89
edizzle89 HalfDork
3/21/16 10:46 a.m.

big front wings seem to be a winning solution on scion tc's

singleslammer
singleslammer UberDork
3/21/16 11:18 a.m.

In reply to edizzle89:

I get it, but WTF?! That is just silly.

T.J.
T.J. UltimaDork
3/21/16 11:30 a.m.

Does 55 HP count as high power? What about if that was 160% more power than the original road going car?

bmw88rider
bmw88rider GRM+ Memberand Dork
3/21/16 11:34 a.m.

FWD cars have won in a lot of major series before they went to caged "spec" racers. As we talked last week, BTCC was won by the P11 Nissan Primera chassis (G20 for us NA folks)in the 90's.

Robbie
Robbie SuperDork
3/21/16 11:59 a.m.

I would probably say neon srt4 is the answer.

One lap, touring car championships, land speed racing, rally, srt4 takes many FWD wins in many classes and types of racing. Good write-up on wiki actually.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Neon_SRT-4

Autolex
Autolex Dork
3/21/16 12:00 p.m.

Nissan GT-R LM Nismo

500hp Twin Turbo V6 Lemans Car, unfortunately cancelled...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R_LM_Nismo

Bobzilla
Bobzilla UltimaDork
3/21/16 12:01 p.m.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/21/16 12:01 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote: The old F2 rally cars were similar specs although a hair less power and could beat the 4WD WRC cars on dry stages with less power, less torque and obviously less weight.

Especially when being driven by Monsieur Loeb, if memory serves

NickD
NickD HalfDork
3/21/16 12:08 p.m.
edizzle89 wrote: big front wings seem to be a winning solution on scion tc's

That's the same tC, just with a different paint scheme

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
3/21/16 12:19 p.m.

End of thread.

edizzle89
edizzle89 HalfDork
3/21/16 12:24 p.m.

In reply to NickD:

damn, your right, the wings just draw the eyes away from the other details

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
3/21/16 12:33 p.m.
racerfink wrote: Dodge Daytona IMSA GTU car

Came to say this.

STM317
STM317 Reader
3/21/16 12:44 p.m.
Autolex wrote: Nissan GT-R LM Nismo 500hp Twin Turbo V6 Lemans Car, unfortunately cancelled... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R_LM_Nismo

I'm not sure that fits the criteria since it was horribly unsuccessful and was really an AWD car limping around in FWD mode. It might've been more successful if they'd gotten the hybrid tech working, but then it wouldn't have been FWD anymore.

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
3/21/16 1:04 p.m.
STM317 wrote:
Autolex wrote: Nissan GT-R LM Nismo 500hp Twin Turbo V6 Lemans Car, unfortunately cancelled... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R_LM_Nismo
I'm not sure that fits the criteria since it was horribly unsuccessful and was really an AWD car limping around in FWD mode. It might've been more successful if they'd gotten the hybrid tech working, but then it wouldn't have been FWD anymore.

And specifically discounted in the very first post!

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
3/21/16 1:04 p.m.
wvumtnbkr wrote: End of thread.

Sorry. hte BTCC Super Touring build blow this into the weeds

Adrian_Thompson
Adrian_Thompson UltimaDork
3/21/16 1:05 p.m.
Knurled wrote:
racerfink wrote: Dodge Daytona IMSA GTU car
Came to say this.

This is new to me. Details?

RexSeven
RexSeven UberDork
3/21/16 1:27 p.m.
Adrian_Thompson wrote:
Knurled wrote:
racerfink wrote: Dodge Daytona IMSA GTU car
Came to say this.
This is new to me. Details?

I found a couple of sites including a comparison drive of the FWD vs. RWD. Sounds like Chrysler made both FWD and RWD versions, but only one complete RWD IMSA Daytona still exists.

http://www.bgperformance.com/cars/bg-performance-dodge-championship-winning-vehicle/

https://web.archive.org/web/20150910152526/http://home.comcast.net/~cvetters3/test1.htm

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