If anyone know of clean 70 C10s or GMCs or a nice SWB GMT400 for a fair price, I'm very likely a buyer. My next fun vehicle will be an older truck.
If anyone know of clean 70 C10s or GMCs or a nice SWB GMT400 for a fair price, I'm very likely a buyer. My next fun vehicle will be an older truck.
I might have a line on a decent driver GMT400 350 tbi ECSB 4x4 for any of the colorado peeps, a friend is getting rid of it.
To the guy who posted the ad from Streetside Classics: if you are using their pricing as a barometer you must be smoking the same funny stuff as the guy who prices their ads.
I can't believe those dealers (who pollute Ebay, Marketplace and everywhere else) actually sell anything. The same vehicles are often still for sale a year later...at the same price.
Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:
I was eighteen
didn't have a care
workin for peanuts
not a dime to spare
but I was lean and solid everywhere
like a rock
I usually have a strong distaste for great art (and this song is exactly that) being corporatized but that one always punched me right in the gut and had me reaching for the Kleenex. But even Bob and his Silver Bullet Band couldn't convince me to buy one.
I feel less bad about stuffing a crate engine in the wife unit's GMT400 Suburban a couple years ago.
It's still good at doing truck things and it's easy to fix. All it costs me is fuel.
I can burn a lot of fuel before I've spent what a new 3/4 ton Sub would cost.
ddavidv said:To the guy who posted the ad from Streetside Classics: if you are using their pricing as a barometer you must be smoking the same funny stuff as the guy who prices their ads.
I can't believe those dealers (who pollute Ebay, Marketplace and everywhere else) actually sell anything. The same vehicles are often still for sale a year later...at the same price.
That would be me.
It's not just them posting these prices, although that is one of the worst I've seen.
To me that's a 3k truck but the price of a thing is what that thing will bring.
mtn said:1970 was 50 years ago. Need to keep that in mind. Also keep in mind how much better and how much longer lasting cars and trucks are today - because of that, and because of just plain age, there isn't a ton of supply of them any more.
If you want a cheap truck, you need to get a late 90s or early 00s, and it will be rusty.
And I guaran-damn-tee you that absolutely 0% of 2021 trucks will be running in 50 years. Those 50 year old trucks on the road today are more likely to still be running in 50 years.
Another....
You've got truck buyers that don't want the complexity or expense of a new truck combined with vintage buyers that have been priced out of the muscle cars that they really want.
They're also an incredible blank canvas. My wife has a fairly clean "survivor" 72 C10. The aftermarket for them is probably the biggest that I've ever seen. You can pretty much make them whatever you want with off the shelf parts. Need body parts? They've got them in steel or fiberglass. Engine swaps? It's been done. Slam it? Lift it? Make it corner? There are options for every budget. Love the vintage look, but want some more modern interior amenities and comfort? You can get everything from bolt in air conditioning and tilt steering columns and pre cut cab insulation to full "custom" interiors. They even make stock appearing radios with modern Bluetooth capabilities so you can stream music or podcasts from your phone.
ShawnG said:I feel less bad about stuffing a crate engine in the wife unit's GMT400 Suburban a couple years ago.
It's still good at doing truck things and it's easy to fix. All it costs me is fuel.
I can burn a lot of fuel before I've spent what a new 3/4 ton Sub would cost.
What crate engine did you use?
maj75 (Forum Supporter) said:mtn said:1970 was 50 years ago. Need to keep that in mind. Also keep in mind how much better and how much longer lasting cars and trucks are today - because of that, and because of just plain age, there isn't a ton of supply of them any more.
If you want a cheap truck, you need to get a late 90s or early 00s, and it will be rusty.
And I guaran-damn-tee you that absolutely 0% of 2021 trucks will be running in 50 years. Those 50 year old trucks on the road today are more likely to still be running in 50 years.
Well let's look at history. 50 years before the 1970's would be the 1920's. The only survivors of that era have had complete restorations done. Too old well let's Look at the 1980's 50 years before that would be the 1930's. Again survivors would need complete restorations. By the 1980's. 1990's Same with the 40's.
In short yes 50 years from now 2020's trucks will need complete restoration to remain useful.
I'm not so pessimistic about modern vehicles. I've learned that the human spirit prevails over adversity.
Think of all the esoteric cars around here that you can't find parts for. Rip that crap off and Megasquirt it. Problem solved. And 3D printing nerds are starting to save the day by making little widgets that are NLA. There was some dude on this board awhile back, I forget who, that was working on some obsolete German car and had a bad electronic module for something or the other. He just popped that bad boy open and went all DIY and used some sorcery to work around it.
The point is, don't underestimate people. They will find a way 50 years from now.
In reply to Cousin_Eddie (Forum Supporter) :
Someday, someone is likely going to come up with a generic BCM that can be programmed to handle all the various electronic gizmos in modern cars, like a Megasquirt for for the chassis. Heck, maybe it has already happened with a Raspberry Pi or an Arduino.
Someone just paid 45,100 for a 1993 Toyota Tacoma pickup with 84 miles. Which seems insane to me, considering what you can get for that price nowadays. In a way, they made out better than the original owner. Looks like the original MSRP would be $13,808, which in 2021 dollars is $26,141, so not great there. But had the original owner just put the money into the S&P 500 instead of buying and parking the truck, they'd have $131,616.
Just for the hell of it, I found a 1972 C10 base price of $2,680 online. Inflation adjusted, that'd be $17,540. I bet you could sell a new condition 72 C10 all day long for that price nowadays.
In reply to eastsideTim :
Yup, especially since everything is on CAN or MOST now, they're relatively easy to control. You just need to figure out how to decrypt that data which many people have figured out by now. CAN is incredibly simple to implement on an rPi or Arduino, as well.
I think it has a lot to do with pricing too, although not the very high prices I've posted.
A brand new f150 starts at around 30k I believe. A Maverick is just under 20k stripped. If you want anything the price goes up a lot.
Most people want trucks for utilitarian purposes. It's hard to justify 20k for something like that for a lot of people, so they go for a used truck. Now there's a market and prices creep up until people stop buying and we apparently haven't hit prices high enough for people to stop buying. An 8k dollar truck that does truck stuff suddenly seems like a deal.
Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:A Maverick is just under 20k stripped.
I'm not sure where you live, but in much of the country there are more trucks being used as glorified station wagons than those used for actual work. But your point is well taken in that if you want a real truck but don't use it that much, something old makes a lot of sense.
Sub-25k Mavericks are likely to be unicorns. Word has it that Hyundai dealers are getting $35K for low-outfitted Santa Cruzs and $10k more for kitted out ones..
In reply to Kreb (Forum Supporter) :
On the Ford configuration site, before the Ranger came out or right at its launch you could build an F250 crew cab diesel long bed for $42k. Good berkeleying luck actually finding one near that price on any dealer lot though, then or now.
If people would actually use the tools available to them and be patient enough to wait, they're doable, but everyone needs instant gratification on their auto purchases it seems.
Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:A Maverick is just under 20k stripped.
I'm not sure where you live, but in much of the country there are more trucks being used as glorified station wagons than those used for actual work. But your point is well taken in that if you want a real truck but don't use it that much, something old makes a lot of sense.
Sub-25k Mavericks are likely to be unicorns. Word has it that Hyundai dealers are getting $35K for low-outfitted Santa Cruzs and $10k more for kitted out ones..
There are brodozers running around here too that don't get used for work too, in fact the more BroDozer it is the less truck it's used as mostly.
Those people aren't really the market for gmt400s though I'm assuming
My buddy keeps getting offers for his 91 F350 4x4 crew cab for triple what he has into it.
He asked me what's up with that; I told him along with losing their mind over Covid people have lost it on used trucks.
NostraThomas (me) has been wrong about most things over the past 18 months but this time next year I expect the used market to come back to something resembling sanity.
In reply to Tom1200 :
I think so too, it's already falling here too.
I got my k1500 for a little bit more than I expected but way less than I'm seeing now so there are deals out there
Antihero (Forum Supporter) said:I think it has a lot to do with pricing too, although not the very high prices I've posted.
A brand new f150 starts at around 30k I believe. A Maverick is just under 20k stripped. If you want anything the price goes up a lot.
Most people want trucks for utilitarian purposes. It's hard to justify 20k for something like that for a lot of people, so they go for a used truck. Now there's a market and prices creep up until people stop buying and we apparently haven't hit prices high enough for people to stop buying. An 8k dollar truck that does truck stuff suddenly seems like a deal.
Wait until those people own that 50 year old truck for a while. Even assuming they deal with the delayed maintenance right away and deal with tires, fluids, wear items, etc. the near every time they need it maintence demands will make that $8000 purchase not only expensive but annoying as well.
"I did exactly what you told me to do. I pumped the throttle several times before trying to start it, and now my husband tells me I've flooded it, whatever that means".
I hope the insanity continues long enough that I can sell my 1996 Ranger 4x4 for 2 grand. 238,000 miles when the odometer quit working doG knows when.
It has a cold air intake!
Floating Doc (Forum Supporter) said:ShawnG said:I feel less bad about stuffing a crate engine in the wife unit's GMT400 Suburban a couple years ago.
It's still good at doing truck things and it's easy to fix. All it costs me is fuel.
I can burn a lot of fuel before I've spent what a new 3/4 ton Sub would cost.
What crate engine did you use?
Bought the last L29 Vortec 454 long block that my local GM store could find. I think they brought it in from another dealer in Ontario.
$3800 Canadian was way less than any local rebuilder wanted to charge me and the warranty is good at any GM dealer.
ddavidv said:I hope the insanity continues long enough that I can sell my 1996 Ranger 4x4 for 2 grand. 238,000 miles when the odometer quit working doG knows when.
It has a cold air intake!
Dude.....I've seen similar stuff listed at 5k
And it sold
This one is pretty E36 M3ty. Covered in white Plasti-dip. The interior is just a step above 'disgusting' even after cleaning. Lift kit but tiny street tires on Cobra Mustang wheels. The a/c doesn't work. Stick shift. It's a 3.0 so has no power.
I'm only into it for about a grand. I'd be tickled to get $2k.
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