In reply to preach (fs) :
The fact that you can only charge at the house is not a problem as long as the next charging point is within your range. I'm hoping the Alphas hit the market as well.
The real question, of course, is when will RichardSIA next buy a vehicle with integrated circuits in it?
I charged on 110 at the house for the first month of ownership. It is really a non-issue as you are still getting min 5mil/hr of charge and it will be sitting for long periods of time regardless. With that said I did just get the high speed ~45mi/hr of charge setup and it just makes life much more convenient.
I would not have expected to go EV but job circumstances call for a lot of miles and something with low depreciation. I'll always keep something ICE in the garage but am really enjoying hauling butt with electrons.
I live in the city and my daily is my tow vehicle, so:
Given those three requirements, I suspect it will not be for a long time. If I buy a "fun car" because I find myself with another parking spot or garage or driveway, it'll end up being a Porsche or something else amusing and three-pedaled.
The pull through chargers are starting to appear. But yeah, that middle one is going to be a challenge. That's a lot of energy.
Although perhaps it should be defined as towing a certain distance over time, saying it has to be "on a charge" is thinking like an ICE. It's faster to do two partial charges in an EV than one full one. And it's quite possible to come up with trips (I've done so by accident a few times) where having extra range doesn't get you where you're going any faster because it's not enough more to skip a charging stop unless you deplete the battery fairly far, which means a slow stop.
I like Teslas, but don't love them. Mach-E seems nice. I loved driving the i3, but couldn't justify the price and short range. Nevermind the various quirky things about it that made it less practical/desirable.
I'll buy one when the comfort, size, range, and price meet my criteria.
I have seriously been looking at EV's lately. I went and looked at a Audi e-tron and with the lack of huge screens it looks like a normal car inside. I dislike the huge tablet style central screen but that's a personal thing. But the Audi only had a little over 200 miles range. With the way I drive I could live with 300 plus range but not 200. I'll likely be in the market when the range is a little better as charging is still a issue in rural Alabama. I hope that hotels start adding chargers in the future if I was to drive 300 miles I'm likely to be staying overnight and other way I'd charge at home and it would not be a issue.
The report on the evening news this evening about the massive GM EV recall certainly didn't help the story. 
I thought the newest Car & Driver issue focusing on EV cars was a good read. Fair, and easy to understand.
I'm positive feeling about an around town vehicle that I can charge each night at my own charging station on a multiple acre lot. I don't see it yet for my company truck that pulls a trailer almost every day. And the infrastructure is not in place yet for the kind of long distance travel we do. (500-700 miles at a time ending up in a rural area.)
I'm a big cheerleader for the EV movement, just not spending my money yet.
Rons said:Pete. (l33t FS) said:It occurs to me that with the timeline I posted, I may never actually own an electric car, because I'll probably be too old to drive at that point, and I'm 43 now.
That’s depressing, even if that totals 30 years you’ll be 73 and that leaves plenty of good years ahead.
When I'm 73, if my heart doesn't pack it in by then, I'm really not going to be in the market for a newish car.
If we're counting PHEVs, then 2018. My wife is Jonesing for a pickup, and I'd like to get her into a Lightning at some point to see how she feels about them. I can see one being a strong option in 3-5 years.
when . . .
Work truck, extended cab, 8' bed, 300+ miles of range, under $40k, at least 2 model years old so I don't have to be a beta tester. At that point, the fuel savings should make the payment and I will buy a couple for the company as service trucks.
They aren't there yet, but they are working on it.
Next week. Our 2012 Volt was written off in an accident, and we just settled the insurance claim. Living up to the reputation of PHEVs being a gateway drug for BEVs. At this point we will be looking for a 2022 Bolt. As a commuter or appliance car, it's hard to beat electrics. Gas cars seems so noisy and crude in comparison.
I'm intrigued by electric vehicles at this point. I think I'm ready for a hybrid, but not sure how soon I will commit to a full EV.
If Toyota had offered a hybrid Tacoma when I bought my truck in 2019 (still not sure why they don't), I think I would have gone that route. And if Honda made a hybrid Passport, we would have gotten one for my wife a few years ago.
I'm a firefighter and I work 24 hour shifts. It will be interesting when the first fireman shows up at work with an EV and runs a long extension cord out the window of a 100 year old building overnight. It will be even more interesting when the second guy shows up with one. It already gets a little tricky when two guys with diesel pickups show up for work in the middle of the winter and want to plug in their block heaters.
As commuters, firefighters would be perfectly suited to EVs, but as municipal employees, the idea of guys scamming free electrons from the town won't sit well with the taxpayers. It will probably require some infrastructure upgrades and contract negotiations before that really becomes feasible.
I'm planning to build a new house within the next five years, and we've already discussed the fact that the garage will need to be set up for EVs. But that house will be in Maine, so cold weather range will also be a big factor when it comes time to decide if an EV is the right choice as our primary (and likely, most expensive) vehicle.
Hybrid maybe,can't see getting over range anxiety in a full EV living in rural Canada
L5wolvesf said:when . . .
So you already have one?
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In reply to stan :
Within 6 months. We need my wife's bonus. To pay for it.
Is there a current learn me on Nissan Leafs? I was actually just thinking of picking up a used one now..
My wife and I are retired have less need for two daily drivers especially since two out of three project cars could be used as needed. With the way we use our cars a EV would have to have minimum range of say 350 miles plus a charging mode of less then an hour for another 100 or so miles. We have a motor home so an EV would have to be capable of being towed four down. Bonus points if it charged while being towed. However, it appears EV pricing will keep me in a ICE vehicle for the foreseeable future.
Pete. (l33t FS) said:Rons said:Pete. (l33t FS) said:It occurs to me that with the timeline I posted, I may never actually own an electric car, because I'll probably be too old to drive at that point, and I'm 43 now.
That’s depressing, even if that totals 30 years you’ll be 73 and that leaves plenty of good years ahead.
When I'm 73, if my heart doesn't pack it in by then, I'm really not going to be in the market for a newish car.
I'm 73 this week. I hope to be racing in the (Northern ) challenge. Paul Newman was racing the 24 hours of LeMans in his 80's.
pirate said:My wife and I are retired have less need for two daily drivers especially since two out of three project cars could be used as needed. With the way we use our cars a EV would have to have minimum range of say 350 miles plus a charging mode of less then an hour for another 100 or so miles. We have a motor home so an EV would have to be capable of being towed four down. Bonus points if it charged while being towed. However, it appears EV pricing will keep me in a ICE vehicle for the foreseeable future.
350 miles? That's 6 hours. Are you sure you can drive 6 hours straight without a lunch? Or going to the bathroom? How about you combine both of those? Using the 15 minutes gets you 75 miles formula. A lunch and bathroom break will get you another 150 miles. Plus the original range?
One additional thing, is I live in a SUPER cramped city. If you have an EV that pretty much guarantees you have parking. I've driven around for 20 minutes than just gone home in this city because I couldn't find parking.
Brake_L8 (Forum Supporter) said:I live in the city and my daily is my tow vehicle, so:
- When high-rise apartments have EV chargers in parking garages (where I'm moving this fall does check this box)
- When there's a truck or SUV that can tow an honest 7,000 pounds for about 250-300 miles on a charge
- When charging stations are designed as pull-through so I can charge and not unhook the trailer
Given those three requirements, I suspect it will not be for a long time. If I buy a "fun car" because I find myself with another parking spot or garage or driveway, it'll end up being a Porsche or something else amusing and three-pedaled.
Then you must look to the Ford F-150 lightening.
You do realize that Porsche will soon be forced to sell EV's?
Not until I can afford a new garage. Then the new garage could have a charge point in it. But the current garage is at the bottom of a steep driveway, and I hate parking down there in the winter. (Plus it's dirty and gross and full of junk.) My point is, my daily driver sits at the top of the driveway, outside. Not sure there's any way to put a charge port out there unless it's wrapped in a new fancy building. Also if I could afford a garage, I probably still couldn't afford a new-ish car at the same time.
Jesse Ransom said:I think I still have a Level 2 charger in a box that I bought when we got the Leaf.
I never installed it. We always had a full car the next morning on 110V.
Part of that of course is the smaller battery on a Leaf compared to more recent stuff, but the fact remains that for all the driving around town I did all day, I had plenty of time to recharge overnight, and that's not battery size dependent. Apart from travel, there were only maybe a handful of occasions I needed to charge more quickly near home (so by not installing the 220V charger, I did make myself go sit in a Burgerville parking lot for an hour a couple of times over two years).
Travel was when we regretted the Leaf's small battery/range.
This is an underrated point. 110v level 1 charging covers a surprising number of people's use cases.
I had a 2012 Volt, that lived outside with the outdoor-rated factory EVSE, and it was a rare day when the level 1 didn't have me fully charged the next morning, even if I depleted the battery the night before. I dreamed of level 2 charging for a while, but it became clear I didn't need it.
Right now, I have exactly two spots for parking and three cars. I have too many cars.
The way I feel right now, the Birkin isn't going anywhere until I'm too old to get in and out of it. The wife's 4Runner could turn into an EV, but that'll be quite a while down the road. She doesn't replace vehicles often, and the 4Runner is in pretty good shape. If a third parking space magically appeared in our garage, it would almost 100% be an EV.
I am trolling clist for EVs as much as I am looking for fun cars. Towards the end of this year if I see a $200ish per month lease on Leafs I may have to get one. Today I watched a YouTube review by Rory from Top Gear on the Ioniq5 and damn I really want one when it gets here. But I drive so little lately that what ever it costs won't be worth it per mile yet.
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