nicksta43
nicksta43 UltraDork
4/27/14 6:27 p.m.

Looking for a cheap rallycross car I stumbled on these two. Which would you chose?

1989 Isuzu imark

or

1986 Subaru XTD

Rufledt
Rufledt SuperDork
4/27/14 6:30 p.m.

i vote XTD because Subaru. I have no additional helpful comments.

SnowMongoose
SnowMongoose HalfDork
4/27/14 6:41 p.m.

I also vote XTD, might have something to do with having recently gotten my hands on a 94 Legacy.

Junkyard_Dog
Junkyard_Dog Dork
4/27/14 6:53 p.m.

It weren't for the rallycross part I'd say Subaru. If you want to have any spare wheels in modern sizes you'll get the Isuzu. NOTHING fits the Subaru bolt patern. Unless you re-drill your hubs for 6-lug Toyota truck wheels (might bump you to another class), or you find some 80s Puegeot wheels (about as likely as finding Bigfoot riding a unicorn in the Kentucky Derby) you're stuck with whats on there.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
4/27/14 6:57 p.m.

Well, if you actually want to be competitive, I'd choose the iMark, actually. It at least would stand a chance in the FWD classes (maybe). The XT would have almost no chance of doing well in the AWD classes.

Curious why no RWD cars? Can be found cheap, and are the most fun for rallycross (and the most competitive of "old/cheap" cars in their respective classes. I'd check out these in your local area and price range if you're not against RWD.

http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/4439211131.html

or this one

http://images.craigslist.org/00p0p_hzvSRtvuMQH_600x450.jpg

or...if you plan to trailer it to events...

http://waco.craigslist.org/cto/4421776823.html

There's also an e30 318i (early M10 car like mine) a couple hours from you for like $1200. I'd obviously be partial to that, but thought I'd go against the grain and post some other ideas too :)

SlickDizzy
SlickDizzy GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/27/14 6:58 p.m.

That's an XT with the DL (aka base model) trim. It's not 4WD. Which means it has no advantage whatsoever except for weirdness. Get the Isuzu, quicker and much more fun to drive. I have an XT, but it's a 4WD turbo. With the anemic EA82 and FWD they are nothing more than a novelty.

Everybody automatically assumes all Subarus are 4WD for some reason. Not the case...

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
4/27/14 7:00 p.m.
Junkyard_Dog wrote: It weren't for the rallycross part I'd say Subaru. If you want to have any spare wheels in modern sizes you'll get the Isuzu. NOTHING fits the Subaru bolt patern. Unless you re-drill your hubs for 6-lug Toyota truck wheels (might bump you to another class), or you find some 80s Puegeot wheels (about as likely as finding Bigfoot riding a unicorn in the Kentucky Derby) you're stuck with whats on there.

a local Peugeot 505 rallycrosses with (IIRC) Toyota pickup truck wheels (TRD)...it was all he could find to fit the car more or less correctly.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/27/14 7:23 p.m.

That's the only car I've ever seen that rolled at an autocross. I'd get that one.

nicksta43
nicksta43 UltraDork
4/27/14 7:26 p.m.

I would actually prefer RWD, those two were just the ones that jumped out to me in my quick search. I knew the Subaru was not AWD. I like weird cars, not really looking to be super competitive just have some fun.

The buy in budget for this will be less than 1k and it will be a while before I can pull the trigger on anything just seeing what's out there.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
4/27/14 7:28 p.m.

Then you should get a Mustang.

moxnix
moxnix Reader
4/27/14 7:33 p.m.

Imark. I only take Subaru's if they are free.

nicksta43
nicksta43 UltraDork
4/27/14 7:34 p.m.

In reply to Woody:

NEVER!!!!

SnowMongoose
SnowMongoose HalfDork
4/27/14 7:56 p.m.

Man I miss my Starlet.
Highly recommend, I had a blast in mine (stock) even on the original 1.3 @ 250k

nicksta43
nicksta43 UltraDork
4/27/14 7:59 p.m.

That starlet does look like the perfect tool for the job. I wonder if that would fit on an 8' utility trailer...

Knurled
Knurled GRM+ Memberand PowerDork
4/27/14 8:20 p.m.

They both suck almost equally. The I-mark has a higher probability of failing before you even get to run (because Isuzu) and the XT has a higher probably if disassembling itself on course from severe body rot (because 80s Subaru).

The answer is Neon.

irish44j
irish44j PowerDork
4/27/14 9:05 p.m.
SlickDizzy wrote: That's an XT with the DL (aka base model) trim. It's not 4WD. Which means it has no advantage whatsoever except for weirdness. Get the Isuzu, quicker and much more fun to drive. I have an XT, but it's a 4WD turbo. With the anemic EA82 and FWD they are nothing more than a novelty. Everybody automatically assumes all Subarus are 4WD for some reason. Not the case...

Having spent an entire summer driving a non-4WD Subaru DL wagon (the slowest thing on the planet, I might add), and having a sister that owned a non-4WD Justy as her first car, I don't make that assumption about Subarus.

I simply don't know the XTs very well and didn't recognize that it was a non-4WD model, that's all. Don't assume what I assumed

captdownshift
captdownshift GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
4/28/14 7:24 a.m.

nowhere near you, but fly and drive worthly

subaru rx hatch

http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/4404963101.html

nicksta43
nicksta43 UltraDork
4/28/14 10:45 a.m.
captdownshift wrote: nowhere near you, but fly and drive worthly subaru rx hatch http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/4404963101.html

While that is cool and unusual, it's also 3k more than my budget. And an automatic.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 PowerDork
4/28/14 10:51 a.m.

Ah-choo! Isuzu!

jstein77
jstein77 SuperDork
4/28/14 11:00 a.m.
Woody wrote: That's the only car I've ever seen that rolled at an autocross. I'd get that one.

And a roll bar.

As has already been mentioned, those 80's Subaru's were really, really slow. I remember driving a brand new one in 1980 on the highway, flooring it in top gear at 60 mph and getting absolutely no acceleration. Zero, zip, nada, no matter how long I left it floored. I had to shift down to get it to pick up any speed at all.

Junkyard_Dog
Junkyard_Dog Dork
4/28/14 9:11 p.m.

Another reason to go Isuzu-there would be TWO on the boards!

Possibly the last two on the planet!

Junkyard_Dog
Junkyard_Dog Dork
4/28/14 9:21 p.m.
captdownshift wrote: nowhere near you, but fly and drive worthly subaru rx hatch http://baltimore.craigslist.org/cto/4404963101.html

I still remember seeing one of these in a CT junkyard back in 1998. Because even back then seeing one was noteworthy.

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