Why has jeep become the answer?
Buy cheap, Add boost, add lightness, add lower-ness, win
/thread
Why has jeep become the answer?
Buy cheap, Add boost, add lightness, add lower-ness, win
/thread
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: I have an XJ. It handles really well for an SUV. I am 6'2", ~300 lbs, and I'm completely comfortable driving it. It has good road manners along with being capable of trudging through the wilderness if need be (with good A/Ts) It totally suits my needs: 4WD for the Winter and occasional mud, enough power to get through most situations, easy to work on, enough space in back to pack my camping gear, and takes a beating and asks for more. For as many 80s and 90s E36 M3 Chrysler products that were out there, the XJ Cherokee was the one thing they did right. I would get another one, but it would be one of the last couple year models.
Heh, Chrysler didn't do the XJ, which is why it's right.
Bobzilla wrote:DrBoost wrote:I've never seen an XJ get over 20mpg. We're back to 20mpg AROUND TOWN in th truck right now. Highway is back up to 22-24 again. Reliable? Yep. I'm sure I'll have this truck for another 400k+ miles. It'll rust in two before it is worn out. Not to mention that rack and pinion steering in the truck takes all the wandering out of highway drives unlike the XJ, and the length lets it tow better and handle high crosswinds without wearing you out. The seats are wider, not as cramped up front, better switch gear.... It's a subjective thing, no doubt. Some people like having a short wheelbase, buckboard ride, narrow seats and mediocre power/mileage. I don't.Bobzilla wrote: NEver understood it when my full size crew cab truck hauls more people,Yeah, a F/S truck can haul 6 (if the guys up front are REAL friendly) and the Cherokee hauls 5. Slim victory.Bobzilla wrote: more cargo, tows moreYeah, that's what it's made for.Bobzilla wrote: and gets better gas mileage, is just as reliable, will run as many if not more miles and is actually COMFORTABLE to drive and ride in.If it's a diesel it's possibly better, just as realiable? Gotta name the truck but I'm going to call B/S on that one. The comfort is subjective, but the XJ is quite comfy for me. And nobody buys a XJ for max towing/hauling capability. That's like me saying your F/S truck sucks because my miata will out-handle it, by Honda Insight get's better mileage, and my Ferrari is faster. The XJ is the best compromise out there, and you can pick one up for $2,000 that'll run for 5 more years and ask little more than a crank position sensor and some oil.
Again, what kind of truck? If you are talking a diesel, then your apples to oranges discussion is even more absurd. Since you are talking 400K MORE than what you have on it now says you are talking a diesel.
Bobzilla wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:no prob, I think I gave up some bottom end torque with the 3" ID Mandrel bent exhaust.Bobzilla wrote: K&N FIPK, MAgnaflow catback but no tune yet. I HAVE to get a tune.... I know we're not getting everyting out of this truck that we should be. just haven't plopped down the cash yet.No tune allowed until after the dragstrip throwdown. That's not fair. I'd like to see stock vs. stock but this is close enough.
I think i gave up some bottom end torque with 180k miles, 2 less cylinders, and less displacement. 
I'm genuinely curious about this race, btw... we are doing this, right?
DrBoost wrote:Bobzilla wrote:Again, what kind of truck? If you are talking a diesel, then your apples to oranges discussion is even more absurd. Since you are talking 400K MORE than what you have on it now says you are talking a diesel.DrBoost wrote:I've never seen an XJ get over 20mpg. We're back to 20mpg AROUND TOWN in th truck right now. Highway is back up to 22-24 again. Reliable? Yep. I'm sure I'll have this truck for another 400k+ miles. It'll rust in two before it is worn out. Not to mention that rack and pinion steering in the truck takes all the wandering out of highway drives unlike the XJ, and the length lets it tow better and handle high crosswinds without wearing you out. The seats are wider, not as cramped up front, better switch gear.... It's a subjective thing, no doubt. Some people like having a short wheelbase, buckboard ride, narrow seats and mediocre power/mileage. I don't.Bobzilla wrote: NEver understood it when my full size crew cab truck hauls more people,Yeah, a F/S truck can haul 6 (if the guys up front are REAL friendly) and the Cherokee hauls 5. Slim victory.Bobzilla wrote: more cargo, tows moreYeah, that's what it's made for.Bobzilla wrote: and gets better gas mileage, is just as reliable, will run as many if not more miles and is actually COMFORTABLE to drive and ride in.If it's a diesel it's possibly better, just as realiable? Gotta name the truck but I'm going to call B/S on that one. The comfort is subjective, but the XJ is quite comfy for me. And nobody buys a XJ for max towing/hauling capability. That's like me saying your F/S truck sucks because my miata will out-handle it, by Honda Insight get's better mileage, and my Ferrari is faster. The XJ is the best compromise out there, and you can pick one up for $2,000 that'll run for 5 more years and ask little more than a crank position sensor and some oil.
It's a 2006 4.8 Crew Cab 2wd Sierra.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:DrBoost wrote:It's a 2006 4.8 Crew Cab 2wd Sierra.Bobzilla wrote:Again, what kind of truck? If you are talking a diesel, then your apples to oranges discussion is even more absurd. Since you are talking 400K MORE than what you have on it now says you are talking a diesel.DrBoost wrote:I've never seen an XJ get over 20mpg. We're back to 20mpg AROUND TOWN in th truck right now. Highway is back up to 22-24 again. Reliable? Yep. I'm sure I'll have this truck for another 400k+ miles. It'll rust in two before it is worn out. Not to mention that rack and pinion steering in the truck takes all the wandering out of highway drives unlike the XJ, and the length lets it tow better and handle high crosswinds without wearing you out. The seats are wider, not as cramped up front, better switch gear.... It's a subjective thing, no doubt. Some people like having a short wheelbase, buckboard ride, narrow seats and mediocre power/mileage. I don't.Bobzilla wrote: NEver understood it when my full size crew cab truck hauls more people,Yeah, a F/S truck can haul 6 (if the guys up front are REAL friendly) and the Cherokee hauls 5. Slim victory.Bobzilla wrote: more cargo, tows moreYeah, that's what it's made for.Bobzilla wrote: and gets better gas mileage, is just as reliable, will run as many if not more miles and is actually COMFORTABLE to drive and ride in.If it's a diesel it's possibly better, just as realiable? Gotta name the truck but I'm going to call B/S on that one. The comfort is subjective, but the XJ is quite comfy for me. And nobody buys a XJ for max towing/hauling capability. That's like me saying your F/S truck sucks because my miata will out-handle it, by Honda Insight get's better mileage, and my Ferrari is faster. The XJ is the best compromise out there, and you can pick one up for $2,000 that'll run for 5 more years and ask little more than a crank position sensor and some oil.
Yep. Looking for 450-500k miles out of this before I pitch it. We're sitting at 68k miles right now. HEaded to Northeast Ohio tomorrow to pick up the wife's new "puppy" (6mos old, 70lbs). About 700 miles round trip.
OH, it's the baby motor?? That ain't a truck!
One thing that has only been mentioned once I think, the 4WD. It's a killer system, reliable and effective. The north 1/2 of the country does well with a vehicle that can drive all the wheels and a van or 2WD truck can be a liability at times.
But, we all have our opinions don't we?
DrBoost wrote: OH, it's the baby motor?? That ain't a truck!
That's why i'm lol'ing at him saying the XJ has "mediocre power."
Which is why we're going to the drag strip.
^ again, it's an opinion. I've beenthrough our worst winters without 4wd, usually in rwd trucks that are peg legged to boot. Was the 4WD Grand Vitara nice in the winter? Absolutely, the thing was literally unstoppable. But was it needed? No.
and 300hp is not a "baby". It towed a 1700lb open trailer and 3100lb C4 just fine through northern Arkansas and southern Missouri.
Bobzilla wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Yep. Looking for 450-500k miles out of this before I pitch it. We're sitting at 68k miles right now. HEaded to Northeast Ohio tomorrow to pick up the wife's new "puppy" (6mos old, 70lbs). About 700 miles round trip.DrBoost wrote:It's a 2006 4.8 Crew Cab 2wd Sierra.Bobzilla wrote:Again, what kind of truck? If you are talking a diesel, then your apples to oranges discussion is even more absurd. Since you are talking 400K MORE than what you have on it now says you are talking a diesel.DrBoost wrote:I've never seen an XJ get over 20mpg. We're back to 20mpg AROUND TOWN in th truck right now. Highway is back up to 22-24 again. Reliable? Yep. I'm sure I'll have this truck for another 400k+ miles. It'll rust in two before it is worn out. Not to mention that rack and pinion steering in the truck takes all the wandering out of highway drives unlike the XJ, and the length lets it tow better and handle high crosswinds without wearing you out. The seats are wider, not as cramped up front, better switch gear.... It's a subjective thing, no doubt. Some people like having a short wheelbase, buckboard ride, narrow seats and mediocre power/mileage. I don't.Bobzilla wrote: NEver understood it when my full size crew cab truck hauls more people,Yeah, a F/S truck can haul 6 (if the guys up front are REAL friendly) and the Cherokee hauls 5. Slim victory.Bobzilla wrote: more cargo, tows moreYeah, that's what it's made for.Bobzilla wrote: and gets better gas mileage, is just as reliable, will run as many if not more miles and is actually COMFORTABLE to drive and ride in.If it's a diesel it's possibly better, just as realiable? Gotta name the truck but I'm going to call B/S on that one. The comfort is subjective, but the XJ is quite comfy for me. And nobody buys a XJ for max towing/hauling capability. That's like me saying your F/S truck sucks because my miata will out-handle it, by Honda Insight get's better mileage, and my Ferrari is faster. The XJ is the best compromise out there, and you can pick one up for $2,000 that'll run for 5 more years and ask little more than a crank position sensor and some oil.
I wouldn't be surprised if you hit it, but it's a little early to be counting on that kind of mileage in my opinion. But that's just my opinion, and they're usually like my butthole.
I'd feel confident about mine making it to 400k miles. Of course, it's just about halfway there already.
It's an OPINION that a good 4WD system is good no have in the snowy north? Really?
I guess it's also an opinion that a top-fuel dragster is better at going fast in a strait line for a quarter-mile at a time too then?
I'm out...
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Bobzilla wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if you hit it, but it's a little early to be counting on that kind of mileage in my opinion. But that's just my opinion, and they're usually like my butthole.92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Yep. Looking for 450-500k miles out of this before I pitch it. We're sitting at 68k miles right now. HEaded to Northeast Ohio tomorrow to pick up the wife's new "puppy" (6mos old, 70lbs). About 700 miles round trip.DrBoost wrote:It's a 2006 4.8 Crew Cab 2wd Sierra.Bobzilla wrote:Again, what kind of truck? If you are talking a diesel, then your apples to oranges discussion is even more absurd. Since you are talking 400K MORE than what you have on it now says you are talking a diesel.DrBoost wrote:I've never seen an XJ get over 20mpg. We're back to 20mpg AROUND TOWN in th truck right now. Highway is back up to 22-24 again. Reliable? Yep. I'm sure I'll have this truck for another 400k+ miles. It'll rust in two before it is worn out. Not to mention that rack and pinion steering in the truck takes all the wandering out of highway drives unlike the XJ, and the length lets it tow better and handle high crosswinds without wearing you out. The seats are wider, not as cramped up front, better switch gear.... It's a subjective thing, no doubt. Some people like having a short wheelbase, buckboard ride, narrow seats and mediocre power/mileage. I don't.Bobzilla wrote: NEver understood it when my full size crew cab truck hauls more people,Yeah, a F/S truck can haul 6 (if the guys up front are REAL friendly) and the Cherokee hauls 5. Slim victory.Bobzilla wrote: more cargo, tows moreYeah, that's what it's made for.Bobzilla wrote: and gets better gas mileage, is just as reliable, will run as many if not more miles and is actually COMFORTABLE to drive and ride in.If it's a diesel it's possibly better, just as realiable? Gotta name the truck but I'm going to call B/S on that one. The comfort is subjective, but the XJ is quite comfy for me. And nobody buys a XJ for max towing/hauling capability. That's like me saying your F/S truck sucks because my miata will out-handle it, by Honda Insight get's better mileage, and my Ferrari is faster. The XJ is the best compromise out there, and you can pick one up for $2,000 that'll run for 5 more years and ask little more than a crank position sensor and some oil.
Just trying to see how many times I can be quoted in a single thread.....
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Bobzilla wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if you hit it, but it's a little early to be counting on that kind of mileage in my opinion. But that's just my opinion, and they're usually like my butthole.92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Yep. Looking for 450-500k miles out of this before I pitch it. We're sitting at 68k miles right now. HEaded to Northeast Ohio tomorrow to pick up the wife's new "puppy" (6mos old, 70lbs). About 700 miles round trip.DrBoost wrote:It's a 2006 4.8 Crew Cab 2wd Sierra.Bobzilla wrote:Again, what kind of truck? If you are talking a diesel, then your apples to oranges discussion is even more absurd. Since you are talking 400K MORE than what you have on it now says you are talking a diesel.DrBoost wrote:I've never seen an XJ get over 20mpg. We're back to 20mpg AROUND TOWN in th truck right now. Highway is back up to 22-24 again. Reliable? Yep. I'm sure I'll have this truck for another 400k+ miles. It'll rust in two before it is worn out. Not to mention that rack and pinion steering in the truck takes all the wandering out of highway drives unlike the XJ, and the length lets it tow better and handle high crosswinds without wearing you out. The seats are wider, not as cramped up front, better switch gear.... It's a subjective thing, no doubt. Some people like having a short wheelbase, buckboard ride, narrow seats and mediocre power/mileage. I don't.Bobzilla wrote: NEver understood it when my full size crew cab truck hauls more people,Yeah, a F/S truck can haul 6 (if the guys up front are REAL friendly) and the Cherokee hauls 5. Slim victory.Bobzilla wrote: more cargo, tows moreYeah, that's what it's made for.Bobzilla wrote: and gets better gas mileage, is just as reliable, will run as many if not more miles and is actually COMFORTABLE to drive and ride in.If it's a diesel it's possibly better, just as realiable? Gotta name the truck but I'm going to call B/S on that one. The comfort is subjective, but the XJ is quite comfy for me. And nobody buys a XJ for max towing/hauling capability. That's like me saying your F/S truck sucks because my miata will out-handle it, by Honda Insight get's better mileage, and my Ferrari is faster. The XJ is the best compromise out there, and you can pick one up for $2,000 that'll run for 5 more years and ask little more than a crank position sensor and some oil.
what's nice, even if something bad happens parts are cheap, and I know how to fix it, PLUS it's really simple to work on. As long as the body/frame hold up it'll last forever.
DrBoost wrote: It's an OPINION that a good 4WD system is good no have in the snowy north? Really? I guess it's also an opinion that a top-fuel dragster is better at going fast in a strait line for a quarter-mile at a time too then? I'm out...
It is. It is nice, but it is not NEEDED. I've never said it wasn't nice. Just not needed. And considering the extra drag the additional axle, driveshaft and transfercase create on fuel economy, it's not worth it to me.
Bobzilla wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:what's nice, even if something bad happens parts are cheap, and I know how to fix it, PLUS it's really simple to work on. As long as the body/frame hold up it'll last forever.Bobzilla wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if you hit it, but it's a little early to be counting on that kind of mileage in my opinion. But that's just my opinion, and they're usually like my butthole.92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Yep. Looking for 450-500k miles out of this before I pitch it. We're sitting at 68k miles right now. HEaded to Northeast Ohio tomorrow to pick up the wife's new "puppy" (6mos old, 70lbs). About 700 miles round trip.DrBoost wrote:It's a 2006 4.8 Crew Cab 2wd Sierra.Bobzilla wrote:Again, what kind of truck? If you are talking a diesel, then your apples to oranges discussion is even more absurd. Since you are talking 400K MORE than what you have on it now says you are talking a diesel.DrBoost wrote:I've never seen an XJ get over 20mpg. We're back to 20mpg AROUND TOWN in th truck right now. Highway is back up to 22-24 again. Reliable? Yep. I'm sure I'll have this truck for another 400k+ miles. It'll rust in two before it is worn out. Not to mention that rack and pinion steering in the truck takes all the wandering out of highway drives unlike the XJ, and the length lets it tow better and handle high crosswinds without wearing you out. The seats are wider, not as cramped up front, better switch gear.... It's a subjective thing, no doubt. Some people like having a short wheelbase, buckboard ride, narrow seats and mediocre power/mileage. I don't.Bobzilla wrote: NEver understood it when my full size crew cab truck hauls more people,Yeah, a F/S truck can haul 6 (if the guys up front are REAL friendly) and the Cherokee hauls 5. Slim victory.Bobzilla wrote: more cargo, tows moreYeah, that's what it's made for.Bobzilla wrote: and gets better gas mileage, is just as reliable, will run as many if not more miles and is actually COMFORTABLE to drive and ride in.If it's a diesel it's possibly better, just as realiable? Gotta name the truck but I'm going to call B/S on that one. The comfort is subjective, but the XJ is quite comfy for me. And nobody buys a XJ for max towing/hauling capability. That's like me saying your F/S truck sucks because my miata will out-handle it, by Honda Insight get's better mileage, and my Ferrari is faster. The XJ is the best compromise out there, and you can pick one up for $2,000 that'll run for 5 more years and ask little more than a crank position sensor and some oil.
True... you've definitely got that on me.
Parts are expensive for an XJ. I don't know how to fix an XJ, and they're horribly hard to work on.
Tom_Spangler wrote: I don't have a use for an XJ since my DD is a full-size truck, but I can see the appeal of a cheap go-anywhere vehicle that can do some towing and hauling. But I must ask, are they that much simpler or more reliable than say, a first-gen Explorer, similar vintage Blazer, 4Runner, etc? Seems to me that when you are looking that cheap, it's best to select a type of vehicle, then pick the one that's in the best condition that you can find. And there's a lot of vehicles in that type (small-midsize truck-based SUV that can tow). Exploders in particular were one of the best-selling vehicles of the 90s, so they have to be even easier to find than the Jeeps.
For me the difference is solid front axle. I prefer to have solid front axles in my 4x4s and don't mind giving up a little ride for it. I'm not saying I'm completely opposed to IFS, but I do prefer solids.
DrBoost wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Just trying to see how many times I can be quoted in a single thread.....Bobzilla wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if you hit it, but it's a little early to be counting on that kind of mileage in my opinion. But that's just my opinion, and they're usually like my butthole.92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:Yep. Looking for 450-500k miles out of this before I pitch it. We're sitting at 68k miles right now. HEaded to Northeast Ohio tomorrow to pick up the wife's new "puppy" (6mos old, 70lbs). About 700 miles round trip.DrBoost wrote:It's a 2006 4.8 Crew Cab 2wd Sierra.Bobzilla wrote:Again, what kind of truck? If you are talking a diesel, then your apples to oranges discussion is even more absurd. Since you are talking 400K MORE than what you have on it now says you are talking a diesel.DrBoost wrote:I've never seen an XJ get over 20mpg. We're back to 20mpg AROUND TOWN in th truck right now. Highway is back up to 22-24 again. Reliable? Yep. I'm sure I'll have this truck for another 400k+ miles. It'll rust in two before it is worn out. Not to mention that rack and pinion steering in the truck takes all the wandering out of highway drives unlike the XJ, and the length lets it tow better and handle high crosswinds without wearing you out. The seats are wider, not as cramped up front, better switch gear.... It's a subjective thing, no doubt. Some people like having a short wheelbase, buckboard ride, narrow seats and mediocre power/mileage. I don't.Bobzilla wrote: NEver understood it when my full size crew cab truck hauls more people,Yeah, a F/S truck can haul 6 (if the guys up front are REAL friendly) and the Cherokee hauls 5. Slim victory.Bobzilla wrote: more cargo, tows moreYeah, that's what it's made for.Bobzilla wrote: and gets better gas mileage, is just as reliable, will run as many if not more miles and is actually COMFORTABLE to drive and ride in.If it's a diesel it's possibly better, just as realiable? Gotta name the truck but I'm going to call B/S on that one. The comfort is subjective, but the XJ is quite comfy for me. And nobody buys a XJ for max towing/hauling capability. That's like me saying your F/S truck sucks because my miata will out-handle it, by Honda Insight get's better mileage, and my Ferrari is faster. The XJ is the best compromise out there, and you can pick one up for $2,000 that'll run for 5 more years and ask little more than a crank position sensor and some oil.
Me too. We're evil. Truly truly evil.
you know a good way to kill this thread would be to start a Ridgeline thread....it's been awhile lol
hEY, I already did that. No need to go through it again. 
There was never a 4x4 astro in a police chase in GOONIES.
Who won the race? Who got away?
Bobzilla wrote:DrBoost wrote: It's an OPINION that a good 4WD system is good no have in the snowy north? Really? I guess it's also an opinion that a top-fuel dragster is better at going fast in a strait line for a quarter-mile at a time too then? I'm out...It is. It is nice, but it is not NEEDED. I've never said it wasn't nice. Just not needed. And considering the extra drag the additional axle, driveshaft and transfercase create on fuel economy, it's not worth it to me.
And I said it's nice, not needed.
daytonaer wrote: There was never a 4x4 astro in a police chase in GOONIES.
Best argument for the XJ so far.
XJ is highly functional, easy to fix, cheap to fix, easy to find parts for because so many were made and most parts from all the years fit any of the other years (with a few exceptions). The cargo bay is large and can fit most anything you want, especially if you keep the spare out back. In stock form they're decent on the road, handle ok, are surprisingly quick leaving a stoplight, and have off-road capability superior to pretty much any of the unibody SUVs out these days, and comparable to the real "truck" SUVs like the 4Runner. I liked mine, but once we got the 4Runner (which does everything just as well or better) for the wife, the XJ became expendable and I like going fast, so I don't need 2 SUVs.
plus they just look tough.
also, they ARE tough. This is the damage to mine from hitting a 6-point buck dead-on at 60mph. Slightly bent bumper and tweaked a fender a bit. That's IT. Doesn't look damaged at all, does it? The deer was DOA.
Now an LSx 2dr XJ I could get behind.
4cylndrfury wrote: Add boost, add lightness, add lower-ness, win
You have just described every vehicle ever made. 
You'll need to log in to post.
