Knurled. said:
(I also briefly drove Chris Greenhouse's Neon on the street at Sno*Drift to transit it from here to there while Chris was off doing recce or something in his street car, and I don't know if it was the subzero temps or just the DMSs' valving but it didn't feel like they were moving much, either)
My Sequoia (Matt Rhoades driving) has towed Chris Greenhouse's Neon when it broke down during a transit at Sandblast a couple years ago :)
EvanB said:
Ah, CRS. That makes more sense. Cali: you can rally a convertible, but you better not put a cold-air intake on it or CARB will arrest you :)
SCCA Pro Rally used to let Fiat 124s run along with the Jeeps. Not sure what year the rules changed though.
Looks safe....dudes are wearing Bahama shirts or something :)
irish44j said:Knurled. said:t some people who rallied Miatas
AFAIK, there is only one person who rallies a Miata in the US, and it only ran a couple NASA events (Miatas are not legal for ARA), and to my knowledge it was on off-the-shelf stuff. Or are there others up in Canuckistan or something?
Not sure what ever happened to this one. I don't think the Black Flag guys are still running this or their other car these days. I think it only did one, maybe two events.
Also funny to compare an *actual* stage rally Miata vs all the "rally-look" Miatas. Where's the Paco lift?
I think the lifted rally cars misconception comes from the African Safari rally (hence the name of the trend on Porsches).
This:
Versus this:
In reply to Daylan C :
The amusing thing is that the A pillar mounted floodlights are not a rally specific item, they were just mandatory in some of the countries they were driving through.
Daylan C said:irish44j said:Knurled. said:t some people who rallied Miatas
AFAIK, there is only one person who rallies a Miata in the US, and it only ran a couple NASA events (Miatas are not legal for ARA), and to my knowledge it was on off-the-shelf stuff. Or are there others up in Canuckistan or something?
Not sure what ever happened to this one. I don't think the Black Flag guys are still running this or their other car these days. I think it only did one, maybe two events.
Also funny to compare an *actual* stage rally Miata vs all the "rally-look" Miatas. Where's the Paco lift?
I think the lifted rally cars misconception comes from the African Safari rally (hence the name of the trend on Porsches).
This:
Versus this:
Surely true. The Dakar and Baja guys needed the huge tires and more ground clearance to float on the sand dunes. But I'm not convinced that the majority of Americans know the difference lol....just as many of these big-tires-and-a-lift-on-a-normal-car builds are titled "rally tribute" or "rally build" or whatever. All good though, each to his own. Just wish most of them actually went off-road with them (sure, a few do...) rather than to cars and coffee :)
Also, your post makes me miss the Delta HF I drove in high school..........
Hello guys,,
I like them when they are driven as intended. Jeff Zwart piloted one of the two in the video below, he probably has more access to Porsche race engineers than anyone else in the US: .
In reply to irish44j :
If it helps with the semantics as a kid I liked the look of Dakar racers more than a traditional rally car so if I ever build a Porsche that way I have my excuse.
As an outsider... I ignored this thread, because I care not a whit about 911's or Dakar stanced cars. However, seeing it at five pages caught my interest. "Hmmm... What has this topic degenerated to? Affordable health care? Pizza with pineapple? Mexican border walls? Better check."
You guys care very deeply abut stanced 911's. Congrats.
Apparently the Safari tribute 240Zs are actually sort of a thing already.
My co-worker asked if my Miata is lifted. It's stock, it's not slammed on eBay coilovers like all the other ones. I'd like an extra 1" of lift though for peace of mind with some of the road hazards around here. I use my car for camping trips so it's naturally evolving into the "rally" look.
In reply to irish44j :
Seeing your four door E30 set up like this makes me want to slightly keep my ETA.
"Hypothetically" say one owns a S197, and might consider rallycross. Is there a simple, cheap, easy, way to lift the front end (even an inch or two) and have it be level with the rear end? This person may have a S197 GT with a giant tire to fender gap in the rear with the stock rake, resulting in no where near as much tire to fender gap in the front. It looks like an eagle getting ready to dive into the lake for a fish.
**Please, o please, say that something simple like Ford Explorer or Escape front struts combined with long sway bar links would make this whole idea work.****
TopNoodles said:My co-worker asked if my Miata is lifted. It's stock, it's not slammed on eBay coilovers like all the other ones. I'd like an extra 1" of lift though for peace of mind with some of the road hazards around here. I use my car for camping trips so it's naturally evolving into the "rally" look.
Somewhere back on the second page you’ll find my mildly lifted 1991 Miata camping car. It’s on NB HD Bilsteins with slightly stiffer than factory springs and adjustable perches. Lift can be set from stock to roughly 3” higher; it’s presently set at a bit over 15” from center wheel to wheel arch. Both anti roll bars have been removed. Let me know if you’d like any of the particulars.
octavious said:"Hypothetically" say one owns a S197, and might consider rallycross. Is there a simple, cheap, easy, way to lift the front end (even an inch or two) and have it be level with the rear end? This person may have a S197 GT with a giant tire to fender gap in the rear with the stock rake, resulting in no where near as much tire to fender gap in the front. It looks like an eagle getting ready to dive into the lake for a fish.
**Please, o please, say that something simple like Ford Explorer or Escape front struts combined with long sway bar links would make this whole idea work.****
Run it as is, it might work just fine that way.
If you do anything to modify the suspension, that puts you into a class where rally tires are also allowed, and properly sized rally tires will be able to pull 1g on dirt with spikes over 2g when you slide into bumps, so lifted is generally a bad idea.
didn't think I should sully irish44j's thread... so I figured I'd drop this here, in case some of y'all wanted inspiration, a laugh, or a distraction. however the day and video find you...
I like the plus 1 look of rally cars, but lifted on 31x10.5 tires isn't for me. But if someone else likes that for their car, that is ok!
Just remember,throw some big round lights on the front and it will be good. 
I don't think the craze is going anyway RUF has made a prototype called Safari, and I kind of like it. Not as much as a Yellow bird but I like it.
That RUF Safari looks like a Hot Wheels or Matchbox vehicle in the making.
In reply to sleepyhead the buffalo :
Great Video.
If I win the mega millions, I'm buying this and I'm going to drive it hard enough the dealer will be sad to see me come and go.
irish44j said:Daylan C said:irish44j said:Knurled. said:t some people who rallied Miatas
AFAIK, there is only one person who rallies a Miata in the US, and it only ran a couple NASA events (Miatas are not legal for ARA), and to my knowledge it was on off-the-shelf stuff. Or are there others up in Canuckistan or something?
Not sure what ever happened to this one. I don't think the Black Flag guys are still running this or their other car these days. I think it only did one, maybe two events.
Also funny to compare an *actual* stage rally Miata vs all the "rally-look" Miatas. Where's the Paco lift?
I think the lifted rally cars misconception comes from the African Safari rally (hence the name of the trend on Porsches).
This:
Versus this:
Surely true. The Dakar and Baja guys needed the huge tires and more ground clearance to float on the sand dunes. But I'm not convinced that the majority of Americans know the difference lol....just as many of these big-tires-and-a-lift-on-a-normal-car builds are titled "rally tribute" or "rally build" or whatever. All good though, each to his own. Just wish most of them actually went off-road with them (sure, a few do...) rather than to cars and coffee :)
Also, your post makes me miss the Delta HF I drove in high school..........
The Europeans have a term for the difference: "Rallies" are what take place on the mix of asphalt and dirt roads, whereas "Raids" are the desert events that may also have rally components such as Dakar. Open terrain also differentiates a raid from a rally. Spots where there is no real "course" to "leave".
Dakar, though called the Dakar Rally, is actually a Raid.
GCrites80s said:irish44j said:Daylan C said:irish44j said:Knurled. said:t some people who rallied Miatas
AFAIK, there is only one person who rallies a Miata in the US, and it only ran a couple NASA events (Miatas are not legal for ARA), and to my knowledge it was on off-the-shelf stuff. Or are there others up in Canuckistan or something?
Not sure what ever happened to this one. I don't think the Black Flag guys are still running this or their other car these days. I think it only did one, maybe two events.
Also funny to compare an *actual* stage rally Miata vs all the "rally-look" Miatas. Where's the Paco lift?
I think the lifted rally cars misconception comes from the African Safari rally (hence the name of the trend on Porsches).
This:
Versus this:
Surely true. The Dakar and Baja guys needed the huge tires and more ground clearance to float on the sand dunes. But I'm not convinced that the majority of Americans know the difference lol....just as many of these big-tires-and-a-lift-on-a-normal-car builds are titled "rally tribute" or "rally build" or whatever. All good though, each to his own. Just wish most of them actually went off-road with them (sure, a few do...) rather than to cars and coffee :)
Also, your post makes me miss the Delta HF I drove in high school..........
The Europeans have a term for the difference: "Rallies" are what take place on the mix of asphalt and dirt roads, whereas "Raids" are the desert events that may also have rally components such as Dakar. Open terrain also differentiates a raid from a rally. Spots where there is no real "course" to "leave".
Dakar, though called the Dakar Rally, is actually a Raid.
Indeed, and it's why Dodge named its rebadged Mitsubishi Pajero (which won Dakar several times) the "Raider"
There's one in my driveway, next to my (stage) rally car....
But really, we're just using the term "rally" in general, since there are a dozen or more variations (TSD rally, rallycross (which means different things in different places), stage rally, rally sprint, rally raid, overland rally, etc etc etc). As i noted, most Americans don't know the difference anyhow.
LopRacer said:I don't think the craze is going anyway RUF has made a prototype called Safari, and I kind of like it. Not as much as a Yellow bird but I like it.
Take all the cheesy cliche "rally look" stuff off this car, and it would look pretty great, actually.
If they ever make this, there is a 100% chance a couple will be bought in this area (DC) and show up at cars and coffee. If I get word that is happening, I'm going to make every possible effort to show up and park the e30 right next to it, just for laughs. I'll even drive there on my gravels :)
In reply to irish44j (Forum Supporter) :
The "rally look" stuff on that Porsche looks kind of period correct, from the early days of the Monte Carlo Rally, which was a publicity stunt to get well-to-do Europeans to get together ("rally") in Monte Carlo during the slow season.
And that is why the Monte Carlo Rally is held in berking winter. They don't have multiple starting points anymore though.
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