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Feedyurhed
Feedyurhed HalfDork
10/7/09 5:18 a.m.

Just like the title says. Article:

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/1071/worst-cars-of-the-2000s/

A related article from Time. The 50 worst of all time:

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/completelist/0,,1658545,00.html

ZOOMX5
ZOOMX5 New Reader
10/7/09 6:33 a.m.

I am ashamed. My mom had an Aztec, my grandma had a Catera, and I had a Sunfire...key word had. Now we all own Japanese or German cars, no complaints.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
10/7/09 7:12 a.m.

I do agree on the sunfire. Mom had a sunbird and wanted to trade up to the new model.. she went home with her old car after looking at the new one... and THAT is saying something

Gearheadotaku
Gearheadotaku GRM+ Memberand Reader
10/7/09 7:52 a.m.

How much challange material is on that list?

maroon92
maroon92 SuperDork
10/7/09 7:57 a.m.

I don't think the Echo or the X-type deserve to be on that list, and the Vehicross is a competent commuter-type SUV in an extremely ugly shell.

Jay
Jay Dork
10/7/09 8:12 a.m.

Am I the only one who likes the look of the Vehicross?

jrw1621
jrw1621 Dork
10/7/09 8:15 a.m.

I did find interesting their observation that a used 2002 X-Type retails for about $7k while a 2002 Civic retails for about $8k. True, this alone does not make the Jag a bad used purchase (maybe even a bargain) but does not speak well of the resale if you bought the Jag new.

Seems to me that the Echo does not belong.

Vehicross is a personal taste opinion issues but not a "bad car (truck)"

BobOfTheFuture
BobOfTheFuture Reader
10/7/09 8:16 a.m.

I'm floored. They went after the Smart (rightfully so) like it was an American car.

Even more surprised when I remember its also one of the darlings of the "green" movement. Whats next, the truth about the Prius?!

Agreed, Echo doesn't belong.

If the Jag's are that cheap, first off, I'll take one. and second- Think that AWD would fit on a earlier Taurus?

16vCorey
16vCorey SuperDork
10/7/09 8:19 a.m.

I'd like to nominate just about any early 00's GM product. The engines had serious quality control issues, and the shop at my place of employment changes at least 3 3400, 1 3100, and 1 4.3l of that vintage weekly. We probably swap at least 3 3800s a month too, so they're not much better.

16vCorey
16vCorey SuperDork
10/7/09 8:20 a.m.

Oh yeah, and the early Eco-tech's lose timing chains and self destruct like it's their job.

donalson
donalson SuperDork
10/7/09 8:21 a.m.

i thought the vehicross was pretty neat...

and as ugly as i STILL think they are i'd prob own an aztek, also think the caddy catera could be fun... somehow in there as much as I hate the sunfire i kinda dug it's shape... then again at that point I thought my '87 grand am was awesome... lol... drove a sunfire though and i hated every second of it... poor ergos, uncomfy, underpowerered... hopped into an 86 mr2 and was SO much more comfy (rented the sunfire to get the mr2)

and lastly... as much as I hate the shopping kart look of the echo... i'd happily drive one... wish we got the hatch version though

jharbert
jharbert GRM+ Memberand New Reader
10/7/09 8:32 a.m.

I once drove a rented Sunfire convertible in the L.A area. The cowl and A-pillar shake was so bad I'm amazed the windshield didn't shatter.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter HalfDork
10/7/09 9:02 a.m.

On paper, the ForTwo is pretty awesome. Sequential manual, RWD, mid-engine.

On paper...

EricM
EricM HalfDork
10/7/09 9:03 a.m.

I think in the right hands the Caddy could be a lot of fun. You would have to induce overstear, but that is acheivable.

Oh, and engine swap somehting rediculous into any of them and i'd drive it.

Rusty_Rabbit84
Rusty_Rabbit84 Dork
10/7/09 9:09 a.m.

trying not to hijack the thread, have you seen the "Worst Cars to Insure" list?

http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/1125/safety-agency-lists-best-worst-cars-to-insure/

M030
M030 Reader
10/7/09 9:28 a.m.

I'd agree that the Smart is not so smart, at least in this country. In Europe, they are offered with a little diesel engine that gets, IIRC, 60+ mpg or better. Here, we get a gas engine that delivers 41 at best.

To me, paying as much as a Corolla for such a tiny car, and still only getting 41mpg, is ridiculous. Why not buy the Corolla, get 35mpg and have a fighting chance of survival if you have an accident?

While living in Germany, I once saw a Smart stood up on its taillights on the side of the A5 Autobahn.

walterj
walterj Dork
10/7/09 9:36 a.m.

I always thought the Vehicross was awesome. It looks like an Audi All-Road that had too many gamma rays and got angry.

WilD
WilD Reader
10/7/09 9:43 a.m.

A note on the X-Type since I own one (an '04 with a manual trans)...

It is a good value, but probably a bad Jaguar, and that's why it makes the list. What you get is a dependable AWD car that looks nice. It is however small for a sedan and suffers some quality issues (although rather superficial in my experience). Its biggest crime is that it doesn't do anything particularly well and is a mix of very good, and not so good components. Fit and finish is on the poor side, but some of the interior materials are very nice. This strange dichotomy is what turns people off I think. I bought mine because it was a relatively cheap awd car and looked pretty. It makes a perfectly serviceable daily driver.

Jay_W
Jay_W HalfDork
10/7/09 10:10 a.m.

My wife loves her xtype but we bought it used. REAL glad we didn't buy new. We had to replace the xfer carrier. This wasn't cheap but we still have less than 12k in the car all told, and other than an odd habit of eating headlamps, it's been trouble free. Handles nice, too.

96DXCivic
96DXCivic Reader
10/7/09 10:53 a.m.

Am I the only one who wants a Smart car?

griffin729
griffin729 Reader
10/7/09 11:09 a.m.

I too have always liked the Vehicross. I also like the Catera. I used to own a 97 Cavalier and didn't have any big problems with it. Though according to Aaron Robinson from C&D my Z24 was a bit different from the more pedestrian Cav / Sunfire crowd.

bravenrace
bravenrace HalfDork
10/7/09 11:09 a.m.
96DXCivic wrote: Am I the only one who wants a Smart car?

I think so.

Capt Slow
Capt Slow Reader
10/7/09 11:13 a.m.

I wouldn't minda a smart, so long as it is equiped with a 'busa engine and trans...

I liked the list. I have to disagree with the group though, the echo totaly belongs on the list.

2002maniac
2002maniac Reader
10/7/09 11:18 a.m.

i would replace the vehicross with some GM product.

Cotton
Cotton HalfDork
10/7/09 11:20 a.m.

I think the echo belongs too....and the smart. The only Smart I've found interesting was the Smart Roaster I saw while in Turkey.

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