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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/7/17 10:04 a.m.
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We were big fans of the GTO when Pontiac brought it back. Someone here needs this clean one. The asking price for fellow GRM enthusiasts is $14,500, and the car is located in Northern Virginia.

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NickD
NickD SuperDork
6/7/17 10:25 a.m.

Always liked these cars and considered getting rid of my Miata to get one, but my biggest problem is that my two favorite colors (Brazen Orange and Cosmic Purple Metallic) happen to be the rarest colors they made. That and they are kind of a pain to work on under the hood.

Never got the criticism that they were "boring-looking". The original GTOs in '64-'67 were just your dad's boring old LeMans with some badges on the outside.

Appleseed
Appleseed MegaDork
6/7/17 10:30 a.m.

Didn't I read in another thread a while back that so many parts are NLA that a simple fender bender can total them? That scares me out of buying one, and I love them.

NickD
NickD SuperDork
6/7/17 10:54 a.m.

In reply to Appleseed:

Yeah, I believe it's bumpers and hoods and that stuff that is NLA, because it was North American market unique

Furious_E
Furious_E GRM+ Memberand Dork
6/7/17 12:07 p.m.

In reply to NickD:

My buddy has one and think it was tie rod ends maybe that he had a hell of a time finding a couple years ago. There's some other wear stuff too that he's had a hard time with, or had to order from down under. Parts availability and lack of ability to fit tires wide enough for what they weigh are the two things that would keep me from owning one, but they make a hell of a grand tourer.

Streetwiseguy
Streetwiseguy UltimaDork
6/7/17 1:36 p.m.

I looked at one a few years ago at the insurance salvage, and was curious whether a guy could order up a Holden front clip and just bolt the sheet metal on. Minimum bid was too high, so I never got even remotely serious about researching.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/7/17 1:43 p.m.

It would appear that Monaro conversion kits are a thing.

https://jhp.com.au/shop/exterior-accessories/holden-vz-monaro-front-conversion-kit/

Tony Sestito
Tony Sestito PowerDork
6/7/17 1:45 p.m.

I want that thing so bad, but alas, bad timing. That and a full driveway.

t25torx
t25torx Dork
6/7/17 1:59 p.m.

Had an '04, great car. My only complaint was the weight and lack of trunk space due to the gas tank.

Blaise
Blaise Reader
6/7/17 2:29 p.m.
Keith Tanner wrote: It would appear that Monaro conversion kits are a thing. https://jhp.com.au/shop/exterior-accessories/holden-vz-monaro-front-conversion-kit/

This is what my buddy did with the wrecked GTO he bought.

ultraclyde
ultraclyde UberDork
6/7/17 2:36 p.m.

that's an excellent looking SC400

NickD
NickD SuperDork
6/7/17 2:44 p.m.

But, do Australians ever want to do a GTO conversion on their Monaro? That's a question I always wonder about. Does Japan lust after converting cars to LHD and drool over USDM front end conversions?

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/7/17 2:56 p.m.

I seem to recall one of the Australian tuners putting a G8 nose on their Commodore SS. Sometimes all you want is "different".

TIGMOTORSPORTS
TIGMOTORSPORTS HalfDork
6/8/17 4:53 a.m.

Great color, great GTO. I had the opportunity to drive one same year with a stick - and it was a blast to drive. The seats are fantastic - coming from someone with back issues.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ SuperDork
6/8/17 6:56 a.m.

This is one of those cars that I want and will continue to want, but can't justify buying- I tried to make a case for getting one years ago when I was towing a motorcycle trailer long distances, but as it turns out no insurance company in the US will respect their (much higher) Australian tow rating. Maybe some day, if I ever have a highway commute again...

Armitage
Armitage HalfDork
6/8/17 7:52 a.m.

Hi David, thanks for showcasing the ad! Imagine my surprise when I logged in yesterday and saw a picture of my car on the front page of the site!

The GTO has been great to me in the 3.5 years I've owned it. It has been almost completely trouble free with the exception of a few common issues and wear items like brakes, the front swaybar end links, and the first revision ignition cylinder which have all been replaced by now. Maintenance is a snap and the build quality and interior fit and finish are terrific.

I initially bought the car on a whim because I'd never owned anything with a V8 before. While it goes like stink and makes amazing noises doing it, it didn't turn out to be ideal for my short 35mph max city-only commute where I spent most of my time stopped at lights. I recently picked up a Focus ST for daily driver duty.

One final note is that over the years I've owned it, the private party KBB value hasn't dropped much. I can't predict what will happen in the future or if these cars will ever have a collectable status but it's fairly safe to say to anyone who buys today that if you keep this in good shape and decide to sell in a year or two, you'll probably come close to breaking even.

Wall-e
Wall-e GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
6/8/17 8:07 a.m.
NickD wrote: But, do Australians ever want to do a GTO conversion on their Monaro? That's a question I always wonder about. Does Japan lust after converting cars to LHD and drool over USDM front end conversions?

I wanted to swap my LHD Cavalier bits for someone RHD but found no takers.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/8/17 8:36 a.m.
NickD wrote: But, do Australians ever want to do a GTO conversion on their Monaro? That's a question I always wonder about. Does Japan lust after converting cars to LHD and drool over USDM front end conversions?

Several years ago at the Tokyo Auto Salon I met a guy from Japan whose company specialized in USDM conversions. Plus Japan has (had?) a few magazines dedicated to American cars and our scene--complete with ads for companies importing raised white letter BFG tires, Crager wheels, etc. One was called Daytona. I have others at home, but offhand I can't remember the titles. It might have been something like A Spec.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ SuperDork
6/8/17 8:46 a.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens:

To get way the hell off topic, but sparked by your Japanese USDM story- for some reason I have an irrational want to do up a mid 70s American barge like a JDM (yo) driftmobile or RWB Porsche. Rivet-on fender flares, deep dish Rays wheels, rocket bunny-esque spoiler... it's probably already a thing in Japan and they probably have a cool name for it

Lugnut
Lugnut Dork
6/8/17 8:54 a.m.
NickD wrote: But, do Australians ever want to do a GTO conversion on their Monaro? That's a question I always wonder about. Does Japan lust after converting cars to LHD and drool over USDM front end conversions?

They do! I had my '05 GTO for almost 5 years. A lot of my GTO buddies did Monaro conversions on trade with Monaro blokes who wanted GTO stuff.

That was a great car.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/8/17 11:46 a.m.

Also, I didn't realize that the GTO hood was NLA. I'm doing this from memory, so I'm sure that someone will correct. First-year cars had no scoops, right? And I believe that after that no scoops was a no-cost option. I could have sworn I saw that in the press materials at one point. I think.

NickD
NickD SuperDork
6/8/17 11:50 a.m.
David S. Wallens wrote: Also, I didn't realize that the GTO hood was NLA. I'm doing this from memory, so I'm sure that someone will correct. First-year cars had no scoops, right? And I believe that after that no scoops was a no-cost option. I could have sworn I saw that in the press materials at one point. I think.

'04s had no hoodscoops, single exhaust and 350hp. '05-'06 had dual exhaust, scooped hood and 400hp. '04s seem to trade hands for $10-$12K, '05-'06s seems to command $15-18K, from what I've seen

Armitage
Armitage HalfDork
6/8/17 12:03 p.m.

Regarding the body parts unavailability, it looks like it's no problem finding replacement body parts on car-part.com. Not sure how that works when filing an insurance claim and sourcing used body panels to repair though.

81cpcamaro
81cpcamaro Dork
6/8/17 12:25 p.m.

Man I like this GTO. It was posted for sale right after I bought my '12 Camaro SS, otherwise I may have gone after it.

NickD, the 2004 GTO does have dual exhaust, but the tailpipes both exit on the same side of the car. Thankfully GM changed that in 05.

Lugnut
Lugnut Dork
6/8/17 1:21 p.m.

In reply to David S. Wallens:

2005 and 2006 hoods were scooped. No option. I tracked down a Torrid Red hood from a 2004 so I didn't have the scoops. And I had a rear decklid's spoiler and emblem holes filled in so the less boring parts (scoops and a wing) were taken off. It was nice and smooooooooth

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