Just watched the in-car video at this site of the Vette's lap of VIR. Wow. It gapped a 3X more expensive Huracan by almost 5 seconds; in fact, you can see it reeling in the Lambo in that video. That was impressive.
Just watched the in-car video at this site of the Vette's lap of VIR. Wow. It gapped a 3X more expensive Huracan by almost 5 seconds; in fact, you can see it reeling in the Lambo in that video. That was impressive.
I think the dark horse here is the M240i. Chased down the Supra despite being heavier and having worse aero. Ran a faster lap than the much more expensive RS3 until the RS3 switched to competition rubber.
Its only less than a second faster than a 2019 vette though.
But the 2019 Vette had more power.
In reply to johndej :
A second is a long time on a road course, and the zr1 has more power, and cost A lot more. (Msrp of 2019 zr1 was $122k with no options which is $144k in todays dollars. 2023 z06 is $105k. $39k less!)
Just saying, it's really hard to take any of this as hard data. That ZR1 lap is from five years ago. Test that same car again now and it could easily be 2-3 seconds faster...or slower just due to the track surface evolving and weather conditions changing. For that matter, run the Z06 again the next morning and the time will be different. And I assume these cars are all still running their stock tires which is another huge variable. From what I can tell the Z06 is on better tires than the ZR1 would have been. That could easily make up that second or more. Similarly Lamborghini somehow hasn't caught on to putting race tires on their cars and it seems like that car was on 300TW tires. I'm not sure that's worth five seconds, but it's not nothing.
I'm not saying the Z06 didn't perform really well or that it should have been expected to beat the ZR1 or huracan, just that you really can't treat any of this as hard data and drawing concrete conclusions from it isn't really reasonable.
dculberson said:In reply to johndej :
A second is a long time on a road course, and the zr1 has more power, and cost A lot more. (Msrp of 2019 zr1 was $122k with no options which is $144k in todays dollars. 2023 z06 is $105k. $39k less!)
The C8 Z06 used in Lightning Lap was nearly identical in price to the C7 ZR1 (ignoring inflation). Weight, and tires were more similar than I realized too.
The ZR1 was a brute, with prodigious torque on tap just about anywhere in the rpm range thanks to more displacement and a big honkin supercharger. Dyno sheets show stock ZR1's making more than 600 lb-ft to the wheels from 3000rpm to 5400rpm:
While the C8 Z06 generates around 420 lb-ft (briefly) at 6200 rpm
And to DPS214's point about different variables, the C7 ZR1 was run on a hot summer day with the article (published Sept 2019) mentioning "The morning air is warming toward the 90s" while the C8 Z06 seems to have been run on a cooler day (article published February 2023) with comments in the summary video shared by OP talking about "perfect" weather.
The two cars seem pretty well matched to me honestly, with "winner" likely coming down to track design and driver ability. The Z06 review mentions most track times seem to be well matched between the two. They're both super fast Vette's that are going to cost a buyer close to ~$200k to get at this point. It just comes down to preference for balance and high-revving NA engine vs old school grunt and chassis dynamics.
In reply to STM317 :
I didn't see the "as tested" prices that's pretty funny how close they are. Of course with inflation that makes the z06 quite a bit cheaper as the last 4 years have been a bit ... rough ... for inflation. Especially for cars.
If you want to see how much of a difference tires make, the Kona N on fresh rubber beat the Elantra N on worn out rubber. Ouch.
If they'd tested a GR Corolla Core with the performance pack, they could have set a new LL1 record, but of course they send the much more expensive and much less available Morizo...
RX8driver said:If they'd tested a GR Corolla Core with the performance pack, they could have set a new LL1 record, but of course they send the much more expensive and much less available Morizo...
Agreed. The time for the Core would have been much more applicable to the general public.
Oh I'm aware it's not a complete science and more like the top gear test laps. Just found it interesting that both cars batted so high and solidly in the top 10 of all time. I'm am sure there would have been some noise made if the new one came out and was slower than the previous years despite differences in trim/tires/temp/etc.
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