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Flynlow
Flynlow Reader
7/7/14 7:20 a.m.

Since we don't have enough threads already...

I didn't want to put this in the summertime rant thread, because it's not a rant. Just wanted to share my experiences having ridden one (actually two) for the first time on Saturday.

Back story: my dad recently retired, and wants a motorcycle for touring around and exploring new places. One of the many he's considering is a Softail Deluxe. He's also looking at VTX's, Goldwings, and a few others. So Saturday afternoon we each grabbed one of my bikes and rode over to the Harley dealer. After puttering around the showroom a bit, one of the sales girls offered to let us test ride whatever we like. He picked a 2013 Softail Deluxe, I wasn't originally going to take anything, but hey, free bike demo! So I took a 2014 Fat Bob (or Street Bob? I still can't keep them all straight). Pretty bikes, looked like these, same colors and everything:

We did a 7 mile loop, back to the dealer, then traded bikes and ran it again.

Street Bob: Rode this first, and I actually really like the controls/ergos/feeling of everything. It was a very well built bike, with very little cheap plastic bits. My legs were a little more stretched out, in a good way, than on the Shadow. On my 750, it's pretty much sitting down, with your knees at 90 * posture. This was maybe 45 * , with your legs more out in front. I could see where it would be nice to stretch out on the highway. The clutch and brake levers, shifter, seat, etc. were all very nicely made, and felt great: weight of the controls, feel of the seat, etc.). And the bike is QUIET!!! Oh how quiet. With a stock exhaust it was downright pleasant. A little snarl when you cranked it open, but almost silent the rest of the time. Dropped into corners and took a set well, and for a heavy bike, you get used to it quick. Ground clearance seemed fine on the couple tight turns I really leaned it over. On the downside, man that engine shakes. I can see why foxtrapper and others said they occasionaly raise the revs at lights, but that didn't seem to help me. And it didn't *really * smooth out, in my opinion. I either felt like I was lugging it, causing it to shake, or over-revving it and it was getting buzzy. There was only a narrow range where it seemed happy, which was compounded by the lack of a tachometer.

Softail Deluxe: Similar quality of build and niceness of controls, and this one had a lot more instrumentation: tach, fuel gauge, gear indicator, etc. It had floorboards and a heel and toe shifter, which I wasn't used to, but it was workable. If I had a bike with these I would probably convert it to pegs and pull the heel half of the shifter. It rode similarly, with one exception: the counter-balanced engine completely cured all the vibration and harshness of the engine. This one was comfortable at idle, comfortable near redline, and anywhere in between. Much, much, much better. And it was solidly mounted, vs. the rubber mounts on the Street Bob, which made it even more impressive. The only downside on this bike was it was used, with like 900 miles, and someone had already put a very loud exhaust on it. When we got back, they asked us what we thought, and my dad said, "Love the bike, hate the exhaust. Would have to put a stock one back on it." I said he could probably put a 'want to trade' ad on CL for a stock Softail exhaust and have 30 responses the first day.

He really liked the Softail, and also said he was thrilled we switched bikes and went back out, because he didn't realize how much the rubber mount engines still shook (his Harley experiences are 30 years old), but it was great to confirm how nice the stock exhaust was on a different bike, so lots of good comparison data.

Anyway, figured I'd post up because I know Harleys get a lot of flack here, and it's easy to criticize via heresay and an internet filter, but far more interesting to go experience things in person. I have a much more positive view of their bikes than I did on Friday. Though I still don't like super-loud exhausts, on anything . I'd encourage anybody on here that criticizes them without ever having ridden one to swing by a dealer and take a softail with stock exhaust out for a spin.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/7/14 7:56 a.m.

Not many people criticize Harleys anymore. The bikes are well made, solid, and of high quality. The criticism is usually aimed at the riders...weekend warriors who trailer their $40,000 bikes to a rally so that they can wear ridiculous outfits (minimum 20 pieces of Harley Logo apparel on at all times) and blip the throttle whenever possible.

minimac
minimac SuperDork
7/7/14 8:20 a.m.

I rented an Ultra Glide Classic or some such nonsense,while in Fl . It had the most comfortable seat I ever sat on. The ergos, while decent, felt a bit cramped for me-I think it was the bars more than anything.The crash bars on the hard bags caught Mrs.Mini right across her legs and wasn't comfortable for her. At redlights it shook the teeth out of my head, and this was a new bike w/1300 miles on it. Between the catalytic converter and the pipes, I roasted my ghoulies. The bike also felt very top heavy, but that was probably more me being used to the low weight feel of my Goldwing. To Harleys credit, the bike felt solid and didn't have much plastic. All in all I thought it would be decent for touring on the interstates or empty two lanes, but a bear to live with in stop and go. And why are there so many different models? Even Harley guys I know can't keep them straight!

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro UltraDork
7/7/14 9:28 a.m.

I've got a bad back and I find that cruisers are just torture to ride. I couldn't get comfortable on either of my customers Harleys or a friends Drifter.

Sport touring bikes like the Yamaha FJ are far more comfortable for a long distance in my case.

I would like a HD XLCR one day though.

Shawn

Xceler8x
Xceler8x GRM+ Memberand UltraDork
7/7/14 1:01 p.m.

Trans_maro brings up a good point. I think the FJ series by Yamaha makes GREAT touring bikes. I rode an FJ1300 for a weekend with the wife on back an fell in love. Two up it was a comfie tourer. With her off the back I could scrap pegs and run with anything on the road. All with a rider adjustable windscreen....

I like that it sounds like HD has stepped up their quality.

Dr. Hess
Dr. Hess MegaDork
7/7/14 2:05 p.m.

Yeah, HD stepped up their quality. THIRTY YEARS AGO, WHERE YOU BEEN?

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro UltraDork
7/7/14 2:12 p.m.

Calm down Doc, no-one's bashing HD here or in the other thread.

Just the goober "lifestyle" owners.

Dr. Hess wrote: Yeah, HD stepped up their quality. THIRTY YEARS AGO, WHERE YOU BEEN?
Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/7/14 2:13 p.m.

I bought a fuel injected Sportster on eBay a few days ago. I won't have it for another week or two though.

Cotton
Cotton UltraDork
7/7/14 3:14 p.m.

There was plenty of HD bike bashing in the other thread...it was not just about some of the riders.

Xceler8x if you like the FJs you should try BMWs K bikes. Incredible bikes imo and eat up the miles.

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro UltraDork
7/7/14 3:14 p.m.

In reply to Woody:

Plenty of time to pick out your costume!

Do you want fingerless gloves or ones with spikes?

Skull bandana or leather do-rag?

Beanie helmet or no helmet?

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro UltraDork
7/7/14 3:15 p.m.

In reply to Cotton:

Ok, maybe a little bashing

If folks want to feel better, they can trash Lucas so we're even.

yamaha
yamaha UltimaDork
7/7/14 3:24 p.m.
Trans_Maro wrote: In reply to Woody: Plenty of time to pick out your costume! Do you want fingerless gloves or ones with spikes? Skull bandana or leather do-rag? Beanie helmet or no helmet?

I think he is even going to go with the harley branded assless chaps.

Flynlow
Flynlow Reader
7/7/14 4:15 p.m.

C'mon guys, save it for the other thread. I'd like this one to be for discussion, not ranting.

Although on the topic of costumes, I suppose we stuck out like a sore thumb: I was in my powerranger suit, and my dad was wearing a full textile suit (think BMW touring rider), both of us with full face helmets.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/7/14 6:08 p.m.
Trans_Maro wrote: In reply to Woody: Plenty of time to pick out your costume! Do you want fingerless gloves or ones with spikes? Skull bandana or leather do-rag? Beanie helmet or no helmet?

The plan is to end up somewhere between these two:

nicksta43
nicksta43 UberDork
7/7/14 6:11 p.m.

What is in the first pic?

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/7/14 6:19 p.m.

That looks like a Softail Deluxe.

nicksta43
nicksta43 UberDork
7/7/14 6:21 p.m.

In reply to Woody:

I'm talking about your post. All I can see is the last pic. I want to know what your going to cross it with.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/7/14 6:23 p.m.

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro UltraDork
7/7/14 6:35 p.m.

In reply to Woody:

Both of those look awesome, no outfit needed for either one.

I'd lean more towards the cafe look myself.

A friends B.I.L. bought a kit from somewhere (France I think) to turn his 2000-ish Sportster into an XLCR replica. Looks really good and apparently goes like stink.

Shawn

foxtrapper
foxtrapper PowerDork
7/7/14 6:48 p.m.

I still get thoroughly baffled by the different designations and alphabet soup harley uses to I'd each of the different types.

It's kinda astonishing to find yourself on one, going "oh yea". I certainly had no idea I wanted a harley, and probably had for many years.

Still haven't ridden a softail, some time I should. Then again, maybe I shouldn't. I really am happy with my road king, but I sure wouldn't mind the bike being two or three inches lower in the seat. But I don't want to give up the BarcaLounger comfort of a road king.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/7/14 6:49 p.m.

I'm too cheap for outfits.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker MegaDork
7/7/14 7:00 p.m.
Woody wrote:
Trans_Maro wrote: In reply to Woody: Plenty of time to pick out your costume! Do you want fingerless gloves or ones with spikes? Skull bandana or leather do-rag? Beanie helmet or no helmet?
The plan is to end up somewhere between these two:

I'm digging the orange one for it's used look. Are the sportsters also paint shakers at idle? I cannot abide by having my guts liquified at stoplights but I would rock that bike if it had some reasonable manners (and turning one into a fire road killer would not break my bank account).

Front lawns of the optimistic financier are filled with them around here this time of year. Deals likely abound. Since my BMW GS fantasy isn't finding the price to go-with I'm just shopping for a fun interim ride to salvage the rest of riding season.

Flynlow
Flynlow Reader
7/7/14 7:01 p.m.
foxtrapper wrote: But I don't want to give up the BarcaLounger comfort of a road king.

I was really impressed with the seats on both bikes, to the point where I checked to make sure they were both stock. Very comfortable, with enough of a contour that your back gets a little support from the pillion if you lean back. I could see either being perfectly fine for a full day in the saddle.

Woody, congrats on the bike, I'll follow a build thread with interest. I almost took a Sportster out to see what the bike most similar to my Shadow was like, but I figured if the dealer is offering any of them to ride, take the $20K one . I still don't think I'd buy a Harley, but after this weekend I would think about it long and hard if the right deal came along.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
7/7/14 7:13 p.m.

In reply to Giant Purple Snorklewacker:

Engines became rubber mounted in 2004. They are 50 pounds heavier, but a lot smoother. Fuel injection came along in 2007.

I found a 2007 base model that has zero modifications, no extra chrome and only 4000 miles. Seller doesn't sound like he was a biker.

nicksta43
nicksta43 UberDork
7/7/14 7:28 p.m.

In reply to Woody:

What did you get? 1200 or 883? Custom with the 4.5 gallon tank or 3.3 peanut?

I've got a lot of work to due to mine to get it where I want it. I've been researching suspension solutions since I got back from another very unsatisfying 8hr ride on Saturday.

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