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poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
11/14/08 9:30 a.m.

With all the casual talk of "bailouts" I'm frightened that the number has just be come a number. 700_hundred_billion_berkeleying_dollars. That's seven hundred thousand millions. And that's just "round 1." Does that make anyone else's head spin?

nickel_dime
nickel_dime HalfDork
11/14/08 9:35 a.m.

And they'll blow it in no time flat.

walterj
walterj HalfDork
11/14/08 9:40 a.m.

That is just for hookers and booze while they discuss how much this is going to cost.

skruffy
skruffy Dork
11/14/08 9:44 a.m.

Indeed. Most people can't really comprehend how much money that is.

I can't anyway. Of couse, as a real life hundredare I need not concern myself with such trivial things.

cwh
cwh Dork
11/14/08 9:46 a.m.

Am I the only one that thinks this all reeks of Socialism? If my business fails, I go broke, I close up, period. No Golden Parachute, nada. If these failures badly affect the economy, the pain will help the country get stronger. Reorganize, figure ways to do things better, guess these old fashioned ideas don't hold up anymore. No pain, no gain isn't just for body builders.

Tim Baxter
Tim Baxter Online Editor
11/14/08 9:46 a.m.

Remember 700 Billion was the first vote, the one that didn't pass. Then they added about 130 Billion more to get the votes.. so now we can all sleep well at night knowing the american childrens wooden arrow industry will survive thanks to our tax dollars.

Jensenman
Jensenman SuperDork
11/14/08 10:02 a.m.

I can't believe you people. You would really want to deprive kids of their wooden arrows after they were deprived of lawn darts?

Remember the old saying, 'a billion here and a billion there, pretty soon we will be talking about real money'.

slantvaliant
slantvaliant Reader
11/14/08 10:03 a.m.

Re: $700B:
"Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff" - Major Kong

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
11/14/08 10:03 a.m.

Mostly, it just makes me sad. I did figure out what business I'm going to open up in BVI / Costa Rica though.

NYG95GA
NYG95GA Dork
11/14/08 11:23 a.m.

Couldn't we just get Bill Gates to write a chck for it an call it a day?

P71
P71 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
11/14/08 11:26 a.m.

I dunno about you guys, but I think it's time to start trying to be a bank CEO

ignorant
ignorant SuperDork
11/14/08 11:50 a.m.
P71 wrote: I dunno about you guys, but I think it's time to start trying to be a bank CEO

+1..

I see it like this..

Take on lots of risk..

Make money from people..

Utt ohh bad idea..

Make money from the government

either way.. you win.

If you can't beat them. Join them.

rob_lewis
rob_lewis GRM+ Memberand Dork
11/14/08 11:57 a.m.
Tim Baxter wrote: Remember 700 Billion was the first vote, the one that didn't pass. Then they added about 130 Billion more to get the votes.. so now we can all sleep well at night knowing the american childrens wooden arrow industry will survive thanks to our tax dollars.

Isn't is sad? NOBODY mentions 830 BILLION dollars, just 700 BILLION. As if that extra $130,000,000,000.00 is pittance....

I'm bedding in, making some popcorn, turning down the heat and getting ready for the show!! I wonder how different it'll be in 6/12 months?

-Rob

poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
11/14/08 11:57 a.m.
ignorant wrote:
P71 wrote: I dunno about you guys, but I think it's time to start trying to be a bank CEO
+1.. I see it like this.. Take on lots of risk.. Make money from people.. Utt ohh bad idea.. Make money from the government either way.. you win. If you can't beat them. Join them.

Berkeley that. Just do what you normally do, but magically "BECOME" a bank to have access to the bailout money.

(American Express just "became" a bank:)

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96844962&ft=1&f=1001

poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
11/14/08 11:59 a.m.
Isn't is sad? NOBODY mentions 830 BILLION dollars

I didn't mention it for fear that I'd get flamed for overshooting the number. "Experts" say, when all is said and done, it'll be over a trillion...oh sorry...$1,000,000,000,000.00.

JmfnB
JmfnB GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/14/08 12:04 p.m.

OR $1,000,000,000,000,000.00, they don't really know.

SVreX
SVreX SuperDork
11/14/08 12:04 p.m.

I heard it described this way.

A million dollars in tightly stacked bills $100 would make a small stack- twice the size of a brick.

A billion dollars would fill a large room to the ceiling.

poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
11/14/08 12:13 p.m.
DILYSI Dave wrote: Mostly, it just makes me sad. I did figure out what business I'm going to open up in BVI / Costa Rica though.

I look forward to this being implemented. Please PM/email me the details. Patent pending, patent pending, patent pending.

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
11/14/08 12:16 p.m.
SVreX wrote: I heard it described this way. A million dollars in tightly stacked bills $100 would make a small stack- twice the size of a brick. A billion dollars would fill a large room to the ceiling.

I doubt that. Just last night a guy who worked at a bank told me that a million dollars in uncut sheets was roughly the size of a suitcase.

So it would be roughly 1000 suitcases.

Or to help visualize it, if every passenger on a 747 took one suitcase, it would be around 2 747's worth (depending on the seating configuration).

P71
P71 GRM+ Memberand HalfDork
11/14/08 12:28 p.m.

A thousand suitcases would fill just about any size room there Gameboy...

Chris_V
Chris_V SuperDork
11/14/08 12:30 p.m.

700 billion? That was only the portion that needed congressional approval. The Fed also pushed 2 trillion out in the last couple months with no oversight.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/side/6104541.html

"The Federal Reserve is refusing to identify the recipients of almost $2 trillion of emergency loans from American taxpayers or the troubled assets the central bank is accepting as collateral.

Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said in September they would comply with congressional demands for transparency in a $700 billion bailout of the banking system. Two months later, as the Fed lends far more than that in separate rescue programs that didn’t require approval by Congress, Americans have no idea where their money is going or what securities the banks are pledging in return.

The Fed made the loans under terms of 11 programs, eight of them created in the past 15 months..."

foxtrapper
foxtrapper SuperDork
11/14/08 12:54 p.m.

Yep, like Chris said, my understanding is that it's at about 2 trillion, and that's just what's known...at the moment.

Studiously ignored is the inflation that will be coming.

poopshovel
poopshovel Dork
11/14/08 2:18 p.m.

In happier news, gun sales are through the berkeleying roof...especially assault rifles:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/27/politics/washingtonpost/main4547564.shtml

Osterkraut
Osterkraut HalfDork
11/14/08 3:57 p.m.
poopshovel wrote: In happier news, gun sales are through the berkeleying roof...especially assault rifles: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/27/politics/washingtonpost/main4547564.shtml

Yeah, and guess what I was going to buy myself for Christmas...

whine Barack Obama is already affecting my gun ownership!

carguy123
carguy123 HalfDork
11/14/08 5:47 p.m.

The one trivial fact that people keep forgetting about the bailout is that it isn't lost money. It's a freakin' loan! And it's also at a very high interest rate so there is money to be made.

Another aspect is a stock buy. Let's see, the old adage is buy low and sell high? They bought at the lowest possible price and therefore there will also be a big profit on that portion.

Some future president will get all the credit for a drop in the National debt.

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