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T.J.
T.J. UltimaDork
9/8/15 12:34 p.m.

So, the prefix 'bi-' indicates two and then there is an '-s' on the end indicating a plural word. English treats the word as a plural (we wouldn't say 'the binoculars is' for example). It is strange because it seems like we are saying there are multiple sets of two, so binoculars should really be talking about at least two pair of binoculars. A single example should either be noculars or binocular. English is weird and I'm glad I already know it.

This started because I looked up why the words pants is a plural word that describes one item.

foxtrapper
foxtrapper UltimaDork
9/8/15 12:44 p.m.

Same a pair of pants.

WilD
WilD HalfDork
9/8/15 12:46 p.m.

It makes perfect sense.

Definition of PANT

1 : an outer garment covering each leg separately and usually extending from the waist to the ankle —usually used in plural

You typically wear a pair of pants as they are sold that way and are used to cover both legs. Similarly, a pair of binoculars is a set comprised of two eyepieces (oculars) that are commonly used together in a pair of two.

T.J.
T.J. UltimaDork
9/8/15 12:50 p.m.

Binoculars is the same as bi-pants. Pants make sense, but binoculars are doubly plural.

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/8/15 12:55 p.m.

Write it off the English being a really screwed up language.

wbjones
wbjones MegaDork
9/8/15 2:58 p.m.

grits is good ? or … grits are good ?

Toyman01
Toyman01 GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/8/15 3:23 p.m.

In reply to wbjones:

Are of course. One grit just isn't enough.

pinchvalve
pinchvalve MegaDork
9/8/15 3:27 p.m.

Fish is similarly weird. I am eating a piece of fish. That is a school of fish. What a nice fish you have there. Look at all of those fish. So fish is singular and plural. And yet, "fishes" is a word that means plural of fish, right? As in fishes and loaves, or sleep with the fishes. I am confused. And don't get me started on fishes'...

KyAllroad
KyAllroad SuperDork
9/8/15 5:26 p.m.

I'm either way too sober or not nearly high enough for this conversation.

wbjones
wbjones MegaDork
9/8/15 6:40 p.m.

yes you are

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro PowerDork
9/8/15 6:53 p.m.

Mouse - Mice

House - Houses

Moose - Moose

The Hoff
The Hoff SuperDork
9/8/15 7:00 p.m.

This is like Lucy trying to teach Ricky English lessons.
It's as classic of an I Love Lucy episode as the candy factory one.

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo GRM+ Memberand Mod Squad
9/8/15 7:10 p.m.

I still have a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that we drive on the parkway and park on the driveway. English has a weird.

codrus
codrus GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/8/15 7:24 p.m.

Yes, the plural-singular thing is weird.

As for the prefix, though, 'bin-' is an alternate prefix that means the same thing as 'bi-'. So it's bin-ocular-s. A pair of 'oculars' (which makes more sense than a pair of 'noculars'.)

codrus
codrus GRM+ Memberand Dork
9/8/15 7:24 p.m.
EastCoastMojo wrote: I still have a hard time wrapping my brain around the fact that we drive on the parkway and park on the driveway. English has a weird.

That's an Americanism. In England you drive on the motorway. :)

stuart in mn
stuart in mn PowerDork
9/8/15 7:27 p.m.

Starting to sound like a Gallagher routine around here.

T.J.
T.J. UltimaDork
9/8/15 7:52 p.m.

In reply to codrus:

That makes sense. About the only thing in this thread that does.

Trans_Maro
Trans_Maro PowerDork
9/8/15 8:07 p.m.

Vegetarians eat vegetables.

What do humanitarians eat?

JamesMcD
JamesMcD Dork
9/8/15 8:10 p.m.
stuart in mn wrote: Starting to sound like a Gallagher routine around here.

Yeah. Everyone forgets about Gallagher's linguistic bits.

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 PowerDork
9/8/15 8:10 p.m.

I could go for a pair of hooters.

Wally
Wally GRM+ Memberand MegaDork
9/8/15 8:21 p.m.
nervousdog
nervousdog HalfDork
9/8/15 9:03 p.m.
WilD wrote: It makes perfect sense. Definition of PANT 1 : an outer garment covering each leg separately and usually extending from the waist to the ankle —usually used in plural You typically wear a pair of pants as they are sold that way and are used to cover both legs. Similarly, a pair of binoculars is a set comprised of two eyepieces (oculars) that are commonly used together in a pair of two.

And yet women have just one bra.

nervousdog
nervousdog HalfDork
9/8/15 9:23 p.m.

I have several coworkers who aren't native English speakers. When they don't get their phrasing or sentence structure correct I just say "English is hard. We have two ways to spell one, three ways to spell two, one way to spell three, and three ways to spell four."

EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo GRM+ Memberand Mod Squad
9/8/15 9:26 p.m.

In reply to codrus:

Touché.

SVreX
SVreX MegaDork
9/8/15 10:34 p.m.
Toyman01 wrote: Write it off the English being a really screwed up language.

English is not that hard, you just have to follow the rules...

"I" before "E", except after "C"

AND when sounding like "A" as in "Neighbor" and "Weigh"

AND on weekends, and holidays, and all throughout May

AND you'll ALWAYS be wrong no matter WHAT YOU SAY!!

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