I got one of those prepaid cards so I am guessing that for me I will just let it slip. I am pretty sure I didn't have to give them my credit card info.
I got one of those prepaid cards so I am guessing that for me I will just let it slip. I am pretty sure I didn't have to give them my credit card info.
they do try to get you to keep the xbox live gold subscription like any sales person, but they will cancel it upon request. I cancelled my gold subscription when I was moving and wouldnt have internet. I did kind of have to keep telling them over and over that I WON'T HAVE INTERNET, I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR A SUBSCRIPTION THAT I WONT USE.
you still keep your gamertag and all that. you still have an xbox live silver account if you do connect your console to the internet. (you can still buy DLC with only a silver account, just no online multiplayer stuffs)
In reply to Grizz:
That dog picture actually made me sick to my stomach. Thanks.
In reply to 93EXCivic:
You are correct, if you never input credit info on the console or never use your credit card to purchase subscriptions through the console, it won't auto update. I used to let it do it automatically, but that ended when I got a good deal locally for XBL yearly renewals......I bought 4 years worth for $100 @ game stop. So, I won't have to renew for a good long while. 
In reply to N Sperlo:
You must have missed the part where the ps4 dog was hacked and sat uselessly for a month 
i'm not on a subscription... so no worries for canceling ;-)...
anyway I've seen a few places setup for pre-order "day one edition" = $499... I think i'll not have one on release day...
In reply to N Sperlo:
IIRC, puppy was fine
I'll just rock the 360 for a bit longer. Maybe build a new PC or just abandoned video games altogether.
Grizz wrote: In reply to N Sperlo: IIRC, puppy was fine
Good to know. Thanks.
In reply to DirtyBird222:
There are a few next-gen games that look kinda interesting, but I'm getting a bit burned out on the console wars as well.
I'm definitely holding off until next spring/summer and will re-evaluate to see if I even give a crap about the new systems.
DirtyBird222 wrote: I'll just rock the 360 for a bit longer. Maybe build a new PC or just abandoned video games altogether.
For E36 M3s and giggles, I checked Newegg. A new gen console costs as much as an average pre-built gaming rig. Basically something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883258019
3.3ghz 64bit AMD processor
8GB RAM
1TB hard drive
1GB NVIDIA graphics card
Windows 8 64 bit.
It is a real computer. It will surf the internet and do practical things. It will do everything a console can, and a lot more. There will be more/better game titles than the console. If you want a Blu-Ray player, you can add one for $50 more. Only thing the console will let you do is play games with a partner on the same machine, but how often do people do that anymore?
In reply to Beer Baron:
My only problem with a gaming computer is that in my experience they are completely unreliable. I have had so much problems with computers but consoles just keep going and going. I am willing to put up with unreliable cars but not unreliable computers (which seem to be about all computers).
93EXCivic wrote: In reply to Beer Baron: My only problem with a gaming computer is that in my experience they are completely unreliable. I have had so much problems with computers but consoles just keep going and going. I am willing to put up with unreliable cars but not unreliable computers (which seem to be about all computers).
You've obviously never had any of your current generation systems break! All of the gamers I know either had their 360 or their PS3 over heat, or both, like me. Multiple times. I keep them out in the open, not near heat sources.
In response to 93EXCivic:
I think you just have terrible luck with computers. Also desktops tend to be more reliable than laptops, which get thrown around and abused a lot. Desktops are also much easier to fix. The newer consoles have their fair share of problems, take a look at the red ring of death, you just buy "new" consoles when they are in their sixth year of production so most of the kinks have been worked out.
Mr. Baron, that computer you posted is woefully lacking for any sort of gaming. Just because a company says it is a "gaming" computer does not make it so. "A fool and his money are soon parted".
But you are in some ways correct. If you build a computer yourself (a simple thing to do in this day and age), any $500 PC will STOMP a console. BUT, they are not nearly as well integrated, intuitive, or user friendly (hello Iphone). Also, sometimes driver's can be a NIGHTMARE, and there are reasons PC games get patched so much. You can NOT have a console game crash in the sense it would be a severe detriment to your image/sales. PC games crash ALL of the time due to many stupid things like driver incompatibility, software differences, windoze being windoze, etc etc.
You have to recognize that just like how 95% of people don't work on their cars (I met a guy who mountain bikes, kayaks, basically lives outdoors but is afraid to do any work on his car and he is an engineer, blew my mind), it's a very niche market to have someone go it their own. Plug and play is king baby! It's the exact reason I'll end up buying a console, even though I haven't touched mine in 6 months.
In reply to RossD:
I never had either of my 360's or my ps3 overheat, break, or stop working.....
yamaha wrote: In reply to RossD: I never had either of my 360's or my ps3 overheat, break, or stop working.....
Really? You must have the slim version of them. Or we get all the crappy ones up here in Wisconsin.
(Both slim versions of the 360 and PS3 of mine are working fine 
)
In reply to RossD:
Nope, both 360's are the "old" style. The first model 360pro and then the MW2 console(did lose the 250gb hard drive on it though, but I managed to get 95% of my save files off it). I sold the ps3 before it was a year old though. Neither 360's had the "intercooler" on them, and both were kept horizontal in an open space.
IIRC, the ones that seemed to overheat and die were either A.) Not cleaned....EVER, B.) Put in crappy entertainment centers without airflow, or C.) In the 360's case, standing it upright seemed to have an effect on cooling.
HiTempguy wrote: Mr. Baron, that computer you posted is woefully lacking for any sort of gaming. Just because a company says it is a "gaming" computer does not make it so.
"Woefully lacking"? It is not a powerhouse, but with a decent processor, video card, and sufficient RAM, you will be able to play pretty much anything you want to on graphics settings higher quality than what you'd get from a console.
Every PC I have ever owned (except maybe the Dell laptop I got in 2000) has been more reliable than my 360. It got the 3 red lights and had to be RMA'd. It now does not like to start and the tray will not open if there is no disc in it. I have to keep it laying flat, not standing up because it will score a ring in any disc if I align it in the configuration they have it standing in every advertisement.
My issue is not that a PC can totally stomp a next gen console. My issue is that consoles are now being sold for the same price as PC's. I could understand it when you could pick up a console for $200 and a PC would cost you $500 for a non-gaming version or to build a gaming rig of your own, and $800 to buy a gaming rig. But now, the prices of PC's haven't budged (or have come down) and the price of a console has risen to the same level.
As for use friendliness, I have Steam on my PC. Compare steam to the B.S. that XBox has been talking about implementing. I find Steam to be both a simpler and more powerful UI for gaming than the OS on my XBox.
Maybe I'll replace my 360 with a PS4 or an X1 in a couple years when I can buy a used on on CL. For now, they haven't convinced me that what they are selling is worth the asking price.
In reply to Beer Baron:
The consoles have always been $$$$ when they first come out. Normally after the launch craze after xmas they drop to more "reasonable" levels. Heck, I can remember PS2's going for north of $300 when new. 
I have never had a console crash on me. In the same time, I have had two desktops and three laptops.
In reply to 93EXCivic:
And I've been running the same desktop since 2004, but with one replaced power supply.
It's almost as though... circumstantial evidence is circumstantial...
I'll start paying attention to these consoles when they start to retail for under $400 out the door. Probably will become interested if they come down to around $300. Would jump if they were $250otd.
I wonder if they will release one without the kinect sometime after initial release... should get it down to the ps4 starting price range ($400) or less... I've got a kinect with my slim 360 and while it's neat and can be fun with my kids and when friends come over that is about the only time it gets used.
Beer Baron wrote: video card
Always has been the kicker, always will be. That card is barely sufficient to play minesweeper.
My point is, you can't "buy" a prebuilt gaming desktop for under about $700, and that has always been the entry-level gaming rig pricepoint. You can build one, but 99.9% of peope don't/wont.
Consoles on the other hand, typically start high on initial sales, and then drop about $50-$100 per year. The Xbox 360 was $400USD (almost $500USD in today's dollars).
So yea, I think you missed my point.
Heck, I remember playing "tennis" at my friend's house when i was a kid. That system cost over a grand (in 1973-dollars) and ALL it did was a primitive version of "Pong".
Cost is relative. I think I can happily play FM4 on the 360 for another year or two while the price drops... and the product gets refined, a process much like "working the bugs out" of the new race car.
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