In reply to yamaha:
Nothing wrong with the 870 slide release, I prefer it over the 500, the safety OTOH, I hate cross bolt safeties located behind the trigger. Which is why my 870 sits with an empty chamber, safety off, decocked, with the tube full of buckshot.
In reply to Kenny_McCormic:
We all had trouble with it in FTF drills on the training course......I came up with a novel solution though, shoot left handed. berkeleying remmy.....
Fueled by Caffeine wrote: in other news, I really would like an M1 carbine.
Me too, but I consider them seriously overpriced for what they are.
spitfirebill wrote:Fueled by Caffeine wrote: in other news, I really would like an M1 carbine.Me too, but I consider them seriously overpriced for what they are.
Indeed they are. Looks like the good old days of cheap CMP guns are behind us.
http://www.freep.com/article/20140903/NEWS02/309030126/Wafer-Renisha-McBride-porch-shooting
Just know what you are shooting. There are consequences.
I have been thinking of getting something along similar lines for home defense and maybe to get into turkey hunting down the line. I live in Riverwest, recently moved here. Quite the MKE contingent!
In reply to turtl631:
If you want to do both with one gun, go 870, 500 barrel interchange is screwy, they way they are put together means that there are different barrels for different magazine tube lengths. 5 shot barrels wont fit on an 8 shot gun and vice versa.
Fueled by Caffeine wrote:spitfirebill wrote:Indeed they are. Looks like the good old days of cheap CMP guns are behind us.Fueled by Caffeine wrote: in other news, I really would like an M1 carbine.Me too, but I consider them seriously overpriced for what they are.
Long gone......actually those days were gone before I could even buy firearms. Even the remake brands of M1's are expensive. I have a very early Universal before they went away from using flaming bomb surplus parts.....rifles like mine are nearing the $8-900 range now. 
In reply to yamaha:
I paid about $650 for the one I got my wife (came with 2 30 round mags). Spendy yeah especially cause I remember how much they cost when I first looked at them, however it made the wife happy. Happy wife makes for a happy me.
So, what you're saying, then, is: "I got a M1 Carbine for my wife. Good trade, huh?"
Has anyone suggested a Keltec KSG? I've handled one but not shot it. I'm impressed with ergometrics & magazine capacity. They're hard to find for sale.
Dr. Hess wrote: So, what you're saying, then, is: "I got a M1 Carbine for my wife. Good trade, huh?"
Damned good trade
yamaha wrote:Fueled by Caffeine wrote:Long gone......actually those days were gone before I could even buy firearms. Even the remake brands of M1's are expensive. I have a very early Universal before they went away from using flaming bomb surplus parts.....rifles like mine are nearing the $8-900 range now.spitfirebill wrote:Indeed they are. Looks like the good old days of cheap CMP guns are behind us.Fueled by Caffeine wrote: in other news, I really would like an M1 carbine.Me too, but I consider them seriously overpriced for what they are.
There were a skaboodle M-1 carbines in Korea waiting to come back home (hopefully to the CMP) and the Obamanator quashed taht.
Dr. Hess wrote: So, what you're saying, then, is: "I got a M1 Carbine for my wife. Good trade, huh?"
Nah my wife is better then that. You gotta love a woman that likes to shoot and work on cars. Last year for Christmas I got her a stack of 15 round mags and a copy of the old canvas carrying case for the carbine and she was thrilled.
In reply to M2Pilot:
Its just a crappy somewhat copy of the UTAS-15
I am so happy to be a Canadian and not need to worry about what shotgun to buy for home defense. I can't imagining worrying about having it in my house, and I can't imagine the consequences of ever having to use it. How would you ever get the sofa clean after you have sprayed the intruders brains all over it with a shotgun? My home defense weapon of choice is a pound of frozen back bacon.
In reply to bearmtnmartin:
You deal with that after you kill the drugged out idiot who broke into your home. One of those things you hope to never use, but should have regardless. I'd much rather sleep next to a loaded shotgun than die due to a lack of one.
Do you mean to say Canadian junkies and general criminals are too polite to rob people while they're home?
Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to bearmtnmartin: You deal with that after you kill the drugged out idiot who broke into your home. One of those things you hope to never use, but should have regardless. I'd much rather sleep next to a loaded shotgun than die due to a lack of one. Do you mean to say Canadian junkies and general criminals are too polite to rob people while they're home?
I would say that generally, yes. There are tremendously fewer guns here, and those that are around tend to be the long gun hunting variety. And if you do happen to have someone force open your door in the night you would have to collect your gun from the locked storage cabinet and load it before spraying his brains over the sofa. I would not say that we are crime free and the Vancouver drug gangs kill each other in crowded restaurants too often, but in 49 years I have never felt insecure enough to have to consider arming myself for protection. And for that I am truly thankful.
Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to bearmtnmartin: You deal with that after you kill the drugged out idiot who broke into your home. One of those things you hope to never use, but should have regardless. I'd much rather sleep next to a loaded shotgun than die due to a lack of one. Do you mean to say Canadian junkies and general criminals are too polite to rob people while they're home?
it would be interesting to see some data where robbers and home owners actually are there are the same time. and how many times justifiable homicide actually happens.
Compared to the risk go going to jail for killing someone mistakenly.
I'm actually not aware of the former, whereas the latter was sentenced to 15-30 years just a few days ago.
If you live in an area that it's a data provable problem, why? This country is huge- and mostly quite safe. I'd rather move than risk shooting someone by mistake.
In reply to alfadriver:
The second part you're talking about, it sounded like the guy shot the woman through his front door(a big no no with no real defense)
The first, IDK the statistic, but I would venture a guess of chances somewhere between 1 in 100 to 1 in 1000 and that can still happen even in your eutopic perfect community. I have already stopped one such attempt on my property.....damn druggies.
spitfirebill wrote: There were a skaboodle M-1 carbines in Korea waiting to come back home (hopefully to the CMP) and the Obamanator quashed taht.
before that.. When I was a kid Woolworth's had a Barrel full in their sporting goods section. I'll never forget that barrel full of carbines sitting on the floor.
And, I'm reminiscing.. Awww hell I'm old.
alfadriver wrote: If you live in an area that it's a data provable problem, why? This country is huge- and mostly quite safe. I'd rather move than risk shooting someone by mistake.
Sorry, don't buy that. I lived in Baltimore for grad school and after. In the up-and-coming neighborhoods that mixed the affordability young folks needed with enough 'city life' to make things tolerable, it was not uncommon to wake up to an intruder in your living room.
Move out to the suburbs? That's what's berkeleyed some of these cities to begin with. And the people in the really scary neighborhoods can't do that for a whole host of reasons.
I never owned a firearm while in Baltimore, but it was something I considered at various times. This is a nuanced situation: my petite blonde friend threatened the crap out of some teenage drug dealer who had the temerity to hide a gun in the wheel-well of her car. They kept dealing, but never did anything like that again, and had manageable, stand-offish relationship (before and after).
Should my friend have had a gun to shoot the intruder who took his Xbox or PS3 or whatever it was from his living room at 3am? Frankly, the perp was already running away, and if he'd had the bucks for a gun, he wouldn't be after an almost-worthless game console. Probably not a threat.
But some other night, with different perps calling for a different reason...
It's that "but" that we're talking about. Lots of nasty situations in a town like Baltimore. Having control over who ends up on the receiving end of the nasty...
I'd write more, but I have to get to work. More later.
bearmtnmartin wrote:Kenny_McCormic wrote: In reply to bearmtnmartin: You deal with that after you kill the drugged out idiot who broke into your home. One of those things you hope to never use, but should have regardless. I'd much rather sleep next to a loaded shotgun than die due to a lack of one. Do you mean to say Canadian junkies and general criminals are too polite to rob people while they're home?I would say that generally, yes. There are tremendously fewer guns here, and those that are around tend to be the long gun hunting variety. And if you do happen to have someone force open your door in the night you would have to collect your gun from the locked storage cabinet and load it before spraying his brains over the sofa. I would not say that we are crime free and the Vancouver drug gangs kill each other in crowded restaurants too often, but in 49 years I have never felt insecure enough to have to consider arming myself for protection. And for that I am truly thankful.
lol at the polite Canadian criminals.
In reply to Cotton:
They're the type that will punch you, then help you getting up while apologizing only to punch you again. 
Fueled by Caffeine wrote:spitfirebill wrote: There were a skaboodle M-1 carbines in Korea waiting to come back home (hopefully to the CMP) and the Obamanator quashed taht.before that.. When I was a kid Woolworth's had a Barrel full in their sporting goods section. I'll never forget that barrel full of carbines sitting on the floor. And, I'm reminiscing.. Awww hell I'm old.
LOL. I remember walking through Sears in Columbia, SC in the early 60s and seeing a lot of old milsurp rifles for sale for under $20. Sure some of them may have been old Carcano rifles, but one of those was good enough to kill Kennedy.
Just before I took the job I currently have, I went to the Roses store in Aiken,SC and they were closing out their SKSs for $79 each.
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