In reply to barefootcyborg5000 :
Do you have another .22 rifle, or is the 60 it?
In reply to barefootcyborg5000 :
Do you have another .22 rifle, or is the 60 it?
In reply to matthewmcl :
Personally, just the 60. I have access to others.. but space is tight and I don't want to buy a bigger safe. Maybe it's silly, but if I get to choose one rifle, I'd rather a Henry lever than a semi auto.
In reply to bobzilla :
It's a late (14+1) and base model. Not the most desirable version.
In reply to barefootcyborg5000 :
I get it, levers are cool. Would the Henry be in .22 or something bigger? For a tube fed gun, I would personally prefer the lever to a semi, as well. If I could only own one gun, it would not be a .22 LR, but the thought of not having one is hard enough to make me flinch a little.
In reply to matthewmcl :
It's not my only rifle, but aside from her rough rider, it is my only .22. That said, we have family and friends around that are willing to loan me theirs if I ask. I figure everyone needs a .22 rifle.
I have a Springfield m1a, I’m pretty sure it’s a 1991 manufacture date.
It’s by far in the nicest condition of any of my guns. No nicks, scratches, or blemishes of any kind. I’ve put maybe 200 rounds through it in the seven or eight years I’ve owned it.
It’s not as entertaining as I want it to be. It’s too nice and too heavy to take hunting, and to nice to modify. It’s pretty meh on the whole.
I got a decent price on it at the time. It’s really the only gun that I have that would be called a safe queen.
In reply to stroker :
Not yet but I'm pretty sure Antihero is spot-on.
yupididit said:In reply to stroker :
I can't find any numbers or anything else unique on the S&W:
This appears to be either a Model 28 or Model 27 S&W, both being .357 mag revolvers on the large (N) frame. As noted in a previous post, the model # and serial # should be stamped on the frame behind the crane and will be visible with the cylinder swung out. Alternatively, the serial # should also be stamped on bottom of the frame and will be visible with the stocks removed. The M27 was distinguished by a high polish blue, and a checkered top strap. The M28 (aka Highway Patrolman) had a matte blue finish and plain top strap.
The stocks on the gun are 'Target' stocks of the type used from the late 1960s until the early 1980s, though often stocks are not original to the gun.
Model 28 (actually a 'Pre-28', Highway Patrolman made in 1954):
Model 27 (3.5" barrel as opposed to the 4" in the original post, and aftermarket stocks)
yupididit said:In reply to stroker :
I can't find any numbers or anything else unique on the S&W:
I have looked at this picture and can no longer keep my fingers off the keyboard. Did someone spill paint on that, or is it a "ghost" gun? I will go away now
In reply to Noddaz :
Who knows my Pops gave it to me and he doesn't remember the history of it
Oh my.
I just found out about the AR57 upper.
It uses a P90 50 round mag and shoots 5.7x28.
I have wanted a p90 since Stargate and will never get one due to cost.
Noddaz said:Oh my.
I just found out about the AR57 upper.
It uses a P90 50 round mag and shoots 5.7x28.
I have wanted a p90 since Stargate and will never get one due to cost.
Sg1 was awesome and so was Universe.
Atlantis.....less so IMO
I want to get a smaller, not N frame, 44 special because I like the round a whole bunch. Really there's not much a 250gr at 1000fps won't do. 3 inch barrel is probably ideal.
There are a few options out there but none are particularly perfect.
You've got the various Charter Arms that arent well made and can't be trusted with the heavier end of the spectrum of 44 special that I'd like for versatility sake
There's the s&w 696 that's hard to find and when you do find it approaches, or even exceeds, 2k
There's the Taurus 431 and 441. 80s Tauri are.....not exactly noted for stupendous workmanship and the last one I saved on GunBroker sold for like $800. If I found one for half that I'd be ok with owning one but the search continues there.
The Rossi 720 has much the same problems as the above Tauri only it's worse made.
The s&w 396 is an option if I felt like spending 2.5k and didn't mind the 2.5 inch barrel. I really don't like either
Taurus 445? Short barrel and not easy to find for whatever reason. There's any variations but most are for the CCW side of things that I'm not go for.
The Ruger gp100 was nice enough and I do like the gun in other chamberings but it was well over a grand and wasn't terribly impressive when I handled one
There's several 44 mags that are close but not particularly there. There's the s&w 69 Combat Magnum but it's a 2.5 inch barrel. Taurus makes a Tracker and while I do like the line a lot it's either 4 inch or 2.5 inch, I had the 2.5 inch and it hated Specials for whatever reason.
Am I missing a 5 shot 44spec? I'm beginning to think I should just overpay for a 431 or 696 or gp100
Edit: looked up gp100s again and the price dropped a lot. Most of my problem with the gun was the horrid grip but maybe I can swap in the older style. I'm still not 100 percent sold on it though
In reply to Antihero :
I really don't think you could go far wrong with the GP100. I've never regretted buying a Ruger. But is the GP100 available in .44 Mag? I see .357 and .44 special.
I've fired a friend's .44 Mag. I think it had a 4" barrel. I can't say I enjoyed the experience. The .357 is no problem for me, but the .44 Mag recoil is just painful. Safe to say I will never own one.
1988RedT2 said:In reply to Antihero :
I really don't think you could go far wrong with the GP100. I've never regretted buying a Ruger. But is the GP100 available in .44 Mag? I see .357 and .44 special.
I've fired a friend's .44 Mag. I think it had a 4" barrel. I can't say I enjoyed the experience. The .357 is no problem for me, but the .44 Mag recoil is just painful. Safe to say I will never own one.
I'm looking for a 44 special and I do like my 357 gp100 but.....man the 44 version I held was just ... unimpressive. It was also like...$949 and there was a Smith and Wesson 329 ultralight 44 mag for $60 more. I walked out with that.
It has it's purpose but man.....a 27oz 44 mag is not a fun thing to shoot
I have a Taurus Raging Bull. I liked it a lot when I was younger but I never shoot it now lol
In reply to Antihero :
I would go with one of the S&Ws, but then I'm a Smith fan. I do like .44s, but mine are N frames. I agree that 240-250gr at 1000-1100 is perfection. Stout, but not painful.
Not sure where you're getting $2k for a 696... I found plenty of completed auctions on GB at $1100-1500, and one current auction with BIN at $1275.
The 69 L frame comes with a 2.75" barrel, not 2.5". You can get one of these for under $1k.
The GP100 is a good revolver, but it's no S&W. I've never felt a Ruger that had a D/A action as good as a Smith. Looks like on GB the .44 GP100 is only ~ $200 cheaper than a 696. I'd definitely pick the S&W with that small a difference.
Just for comparison, here are the forcing cones for a 69 and 696 for comparison:
69:
696
I would definitely feel better having the extra beef of the L frame....
Antihero said:Really there's not much a 250gr at 1000fps won't do. 3 inch barrel is probably ideal.
Maybe it's just me, but 250gr at 1000fps with a 3" barrel seems optimistic in a .44 Special.
I'm confused about the Model 27/28 above. I thought the Highway Patrolman had fixed (not adjustable) sights. Or am I thinking of a different model N-Frame 357?
In reply to slantvaliant (Forum Supporter) :
It will be pushing into .44 mag pressures at that point, but most modern revolvers can handle it.
In reply to stroker :
There were a number of N frames with fixed sights, but both M27 and M28 came with adjustable sights from S&W. The most immediate way to differentiate between the two is the checkered top strap of the M27.
M27 on top, M28 on bottom: (edit for better pic)
All this talk of 44s has me hot and bothered. One of these days I mean to buy a large frame revolver, and I've been eying .357 because reasons. Next choice would be 44mag, but the cost per round and just plain overkill has me hesitant for what will only be a range tool and possibly hunting sidearm at some point. Any reasons I should reconsider?
*edit. Used to be, 44s we're about double the price of 357, but the difference these days isn't all that much.
stroker said:I'm confused about the Model 27/28 above. I thought the Highway Patrolman had fixed (not adjustable) sights. Or am I thinking of a different model N-Frame 357?
I think the S&W Model 21 was a fixed-sight N-frame .357. There may be some newer versions.
Original M21 was a fixed sight .44spl N frame made in the 50s and 60s. More recently there was a "Thunder Ranch" M21 that was also fixed sight.
There were also fixed sight .41 mags (M58) and .357 mag (M520), and probably a few others I'm forgetting. The M58 was probably the most produced, and even it is fairly rare these days.
As far as .357 v. .44, the .357 is going to be more versatile, and cheaper to shoot. If I were going to choose one, it would be a .357. N frame .357s are super nice to shoot.
In reply to Rodan :
Admittedly I hadn't checked GunBroker in awhile for a 696. I did come across one locally for 2k that somehow sold super fast at that price. Seems crazy.
I do like the fact that the 69 has more beef but I also kinda want a gun made for 44 special too. It's kinda stupid but I have other options for stupid power level so I don't want to super Magnum this one. Some hot Specials will be shot out of it but even then they are relatively mild compared to the 400grs I've fired in the air light 329. Really pretty much anything not a Cowboy action load sucks to fire out of it
The 69 is the easy button though I'd like to handle the 696 and 69 back to back.
Im a huge fan of the older gp100 I've got but somehow the new ones kinda....suck. It's hard to put a finger on why. $200 cheaper isn't a lot
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