In reply to yupididit :
Glad you prevailed when it became necessary, and only the bad guys went down. Sad that it happened, but that's the world we live in now.
You never rise to the occasion, you always fall to the level of your training. Training trumps luck, and hope is not a strategy. Speed and violence of action win gunfights. So train folks, like you mean it.
I've got Sig on the brain again. Gonna go rent a stock 365xl and macro and run them against my 47 and see if something speaks to me.
Add to your test list a M&P 2.0 Compact.
In reply to dean1484 :
I'll run one, but if my memory is correct, they're not a great fit. Worth a try though. It's been a while.
Something that fits my hand, that is more comfortable for my wife to shoot (hates the grip I have on the 47) and easier to make disappear on my 5'8 frame...
In reply to barefootcyborg5000 & dean1484 :
IMHO the 2.0 Compact isn't very compact, and the Shield isn't as good ergonomically as the P365X/XL. If you have larger hands the Wilson grip module really improves the P365X/XL at the cost of a slightly wider grip. I tried Glock 43X and 48 before I bought a P365XL, and found the Sig to shoot a lot softer. The XL is really an amazing combination of size/shootability for me. YMMV.
The new M&P stuff is so much better. The triggers in particular in their new stuff have got much better. They seem to have listened to people's complaints. There are two "compact" M&Ps. I use the bigger one the standard compact with the 4"+ barrel. They make this same model with a 3.5" barrel. I would call it a small full-size or a mid-size. It is a bit smaller than a standard VP9 (not the VP compact). There is the small M&P compact called the "subcompact" with a 3.5" barrel (I think) that is a direct competitor to the 365. I was sold on the trigger and I was very accurate with it but the grip size is smaller / shorter than the standard compact. To me it is the same as the 365 (to small for me).
Dang that is confusing LOL.
In reply to yupididit :
Wild story. Thank you for sharing.
Getting my CCW has been in my radar for a while now. I've hesitated because for a number of reasons including family opinions, realistic expectations on training time and cost and just my personality and how I would act with a gun on me. I tend to be a little on the unhealthy prepper side of thinking though my wife has been a huge help bringing me back to earth.
Stories like this do hit a close to home. Anything can happen anywhere. Having a family changes things too. I can lose a wallet or my own physical health but I can't lose them. Just a lot to think about.
anyway, long time lurker on this thread. There's some great iron in here!
In reply to spandak :
First off welcome. I commend you for being honest with your self about gun ownership. It is a personal thing. Only you know if it is right or wrong for you. It is a big responsibility. It is definitely not for everyone. Don't pressure your self or let the pressures from others dictate what you decide to do.
That said if you have any questions we will do our best to answer them.
In reply to dean1484 :
Thanks for the welcome!
Ownership isn't the issue, just CCW. I grew up around guns and have enough experience to see their value. I see the value of a CCW too but the baggage that comes with it is a lot to consider. Getting a CCW seems like a lifestyle with decisions driving clothes, training time and cost and general mental state when out and about. That's a high cost for a one in a ... million(?) chance of needing it. Low odds but also not zero, which is why I'm thinking about it.
To those who have a CCW, do you find it increases your anxiety at all? I imagine being hyper vigilant at all times, good on paper but probably not good for my mental health.
In reply to spandak :
It's not so much 'hyper vigilant' as just being aware of your surroundings. And you don't need to be carrying a gun for situational awareness to save your ass.
Self reliance and preparedness IS a lifestyle choice and CCW is just one component, though it could be a critical component if your number comes up. IMHO, being prepared reduces anxiety.
Take the course. Even if you don't follow through with getting a license and actually carrying, having a better understanding of the law can't hurt.
In Texas, having the license (versus legal but unlicensed carry) gives one some legal options not available to others.
In reply to spandak :
If anything it lowers my anxiety. It allows me another tool in the toolbag to handle different situations. The being aware of your surroundings at all times is just a good practice to be in, whether you carry or not. It's helped me watch situations deteriorate and allowed us to vacate before it ever became an issue. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy yourself, just means you're keeping an eye on things as a whole.
Also, being in Cali has a lot of extra loopholes and things that make it harder and more stressful to carry. A duty to retreat, likely prosecution for self defense use etc.I'm happy to live, and soon move to, states that still focus on personal freedoms and the right to self defense.
I'm also on the fence about CCW. Not technically needed in my state, but the training and permit do carry some benefits.
I didn't pull the trigger yet, literally or figuratively, but I did go shopping and tried a few on for size. Leaning at the X-macro tacops, since removable magwell flare and 4x 17. I prefer the grip (and capacity) of the macro over the XL. My hands are small but rather wide and having my entire palm in contact with the thing is pretty important.
Boss said I have to move the 47 first, but that shouldn't be too hard.
In reply to barefootcyborg5000 :
everyone has something that fits well. I am a 1911 guy. Had, carried and shot them for literally decades now. Nothing even remotely feels more natural to me. I carry in a retention holster that requires a finger to release, safety comes off as the gun comes up and it is just something that happens without thought. For new people, I don't ever recommend this route, but everything I've carried since 1998 has had a manual safety (Star .40, 1991A1 Compact, Taurus 24/7 ProCompact gen one, ATI 3" 1911, 5" Springer 1911) that is operated by the thumb and anything without it makes me pause and think about it for a moment.
I always will recommend a FoF class, and a class on carry laws, requirements and legalities for people that are new. Know your rights, know the law. IT's something that should always always always be the absolute last resort imo. Evade, escape, compliance are all things to be considered and hopefully your SA has not let you down and you never get stuck in that position.
A flared mag well will make CC more difficult. Far from imposible but just something to think about. Generally when consealing a pistol the barrel is pointed down and is under the belt/in you pants so a longer barrel usually is not an issue. The grip is what sticks out above your belt and is what will usually print more. Why a flared Mag well can be more dificult to conseal. Then there is the overall thickness of the pistol. Thinner is easier to conseal but to thin and you can not get a good to grip. SO to counter this you can then go for a wider grip (like the HK USP series) so that while it may be thin the overall circumference is big enough to get a good grip. Make sence?
If you find "the Pistol" for you you will figure out a way to CC it. With in reason I follow that logic. I mean I really like my Mark 23 but CC really is not practical versus my 365XL that I can conceal in gym shorts but I have a hard time shooting it.
On a side note I just picked up a CZ P09 Nocturn. I have not shot it yet but I am a huge CZ fanboy and this one I think has the potential to replace my VP9. It fits my big hands really well!!!
Stock photos from the CZ site not my actual pistol
It is SA/DA with a decocker/safty. Typical CZ trigger that will need 500 rounds to get good. I really like it. Mass has new laws comming in tonight at midnight so after today I would not be able to get one. I asked my local FFL to order one about 3 months ago when it came out and it cam in today. Perfect timing LOL
In reply to dean1484 :
I like the feel of the flare, but it being removable is pretty nice if/when I do start carrying.
The flair really helps to press your hand up and in to the pistol. I use them on my competition pistols and love the feel. If I think of it the next time I have the Mete out I will snap a photo of it with the mag well in place.
Geissele is doing a Hurricane relief drive. All proceeds go to Samaritan's Purse, 100% to go through to actual relief, nothing coming out for admin costs. Donate $100 get a free SSA trigger, $160 a free SSA-E, $200 a free SSA-E X. Each level also has an increasing number of raffle entries for a Geissele AR rifle.
https://geissele.com/hurricane-relief-drive.html
In reply to Rodan :
Oh that's super awesome. The link is not working today though... I wonder if they've been overloaded already. If so, I wish I saw that yesterday.
Anybody have a DAO semiauto suggestion? The cheaper, the better.
In reply to Rodan :
They just posted on Facebook that they tapped out already. I imagine they had quite a flood of people, that was a heck of a deal for anyone needing a trigger, and giving to the hurricane relief.
stroker said:Anybody have a DAO semiauto suggestion? The cheaper, the better.
I believe the cheapest would probably be the SCCY. I don't recall which model is DAO, and which is striker fired though.
Plus, they come in all sorts of colors, some with glitter, and my personal favorite: Cow Print.
I haven't gotten one yet, but at some point when they go on a sale I might have to. They are often on sale for ~$200.
I just picked up a H&K USP Compact. In 9mm they are not cheep but in 45 they seem to be under $500
In reply to AWSX1686 (Forum Supporter) :
I have a SCCY, albeit in a color less fanciful than cow (though if that had been available I'd have gone for it!).
The trigger is poor, but it's about what you'd expect at that price point. A buddy of mine bought his at the same time as I bought mine; he's had lots of problems feeding on his. Before I even shot mine, however, I pulled it apart and polished the feed ramp and all the mating points on the slide to remove any machining residue or high spots. Mine runs flawlessly but isn't pleasant to shoot. It is very much a toolbox or glovebox firearm.
In reply to AWSX1686 (Forum Supporter) :
Wow... I expected it to tap out fast, but not in less than 24 hrs!
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