Brexit

HiTempguy wrote:

mapper wrote: . Not relevant but WTF. Some of this conversation sounds so NWO/Utopia.

This is what scares me. Across the board, I am hearing all sorts of stuff that SCREAMS of people clamouring for a one world government. It scares me E36 M3less. I think of societies like Star Trek and Stormship Troopers (or hell, Star Wars) and it gives me the heebie jeebies. I have no idea where this "one world, everybody is the same, everyone has the same rules" idea came from, but it freaks me the f&%k out. I legitimately think these people are batE36 M3 crazy, but then 99% of news media writes stuff about how globalization is "in danger" and Im all "who the f-%k said 100% globalization is a GOOD thing??!"

It's OK, the world will be devastated by WW3 before that happens.

HiTempguy wrote:

mapper wrote: . Not relevant but WTF. Some of this conversation sounds so NWO/Utopia.

This is what scares me. Across the board, I am hearing all sorts of stuff that SCREAMS of people clamouring for a one world government. It scares me E36 M3less. I think of societies like Star Trek and Stormship Troopers (or hell, Star Wars) and it gives me the heebie jeebies. I have no idea where this "one world, everybody is the same, everyone has the same rules" idea came from, but it freaks me the f&%k out. I legitimately think these people are batE36 M3 crazy, but then 99% of news media writes stuff about how globalization is "in danger" and Im all "who the f-%k said 100% globalization is a GOOD thing??!"

People who want to move humanity forward. I consider a unified world government essential to colonizing space, and the first step to that is globalization. The ramifications for Earth of a divided off-world humanity are just too great.

To be fair though, I don't believe any of the current governments would be the right model for a unified world government.

PHeller wrote: weighted age groups stronger based on number of years of life expectancy.

This is a basic redistribution scheme except people’s voting power is being cannibalized instead of their money.

What do we say to people that are elderly today that never got a turbo vote boost when they were young or do we not care?

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: I think there is something very fundamental here and with the current mood in the US. People who "feel that the world has changed and they haven't benefitted from it" vote one way.. People who "Feel that the world has changed for the better" vote another. Basically, one group thinks the world has passed them by and they want their "old" world back.... That's not really how history works.

I agree. And as shown by the age chart on voting the older folks don't like the changes. I see the same thinking among my friends (I'm 72). Don't agree with them but that is the way they think.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Basically, one group thinks the world has passed them by and they want their "old" world back.... That's not really how history works.

Well, things were really better before all the improvements.

pointofdeparture wrote: The Onion is absolutely on top of this at least!

Caption: YOU FORGOT

fasted58 wrote:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Basically, one group thinks the world has passed them by and they want their "old" world back.... That's not really how history works.

Well, things were really better before all the improvements.

I've heard that phrase before but it's never been proven out by data. Both in private and public sectors. If things really were that good then there never would have been change. people don't change for changes sake. Change is tough and painful.

ThunderCougarFalconGoat wrote:

HiTempguy wrote:

mapper wrote: . Not relevant but WTF. Some of this conversation sounds so NWO/Utopia.

This is what scares me. Across the board, I am hearing all sorts of stuff that SCREAMS of people clamouring for a one world government. It scares me E36 M3less. I think of societies like Star Trek and Stormship Troopers (or hell, Star Wars) and it gives me the heebie jeebies. I have no idea where this "one world, everybody is the same, everyone has the same rules" idea came from, but it freaks me the f&%k out. I legitimately think these people are batE36 M3 crazy, but then 99% of news media writes stuff about how globalization is "in danger" and Im all "who the f-%k said 100% globalization is a GOOD thing??!"

People who want to move humanity forward. I consider a unified world government essential to colonizing space, and the first step to that is globalization. The ramifications for Earth of a divided off-world humanity are just too great. To be fair though, I don't believe any of the current governments would be the right model for a unified world government.

WHOA! Hold on there hot rod. We've done such a good job on this planet that now you want to spread the disease to space? They should be working on a way to encapsulate the earth to insure that we can never, EVER! leave and contaminate the rest of the universe.

mapper wrote: Relevant to this discussion: I think leaving the EU will only hurt Britain. Not relevant but WTF. Some of this conversation sounds so NWO/Utopia. Maybe I've had my fill of the latest social media "deep thoughts" from the younger generations (I'm not that old myself) but the self-righteousness and hatred being spewed by the "enlightened ones" over this is making me cranky. Time for my warm milk and a nap.

^^ I assume this was mostly directed at me :P Yeah it's an issue I feel rather strongly about so I do tend to get pretty opinionated. That said I didn't mean to be condescending to anyone so apologies if my posts came off as such.

I'm less in favor of "one world government" and more in favor of the END of "nationality" and "coutries" as a societal concept. Right now the EU is one of the few examples where any tentative steps towards a post-national system are even being taken. Yeah it has a ton of problems, and certainly isn't the ideal solution in the long run, but attempts by old-fashioned and fearful people like the Brexit supporters to tear it apart before we even get to see how it works REALLY get me going.

We've made huge strides in social progress in my lifetime. I don't want to be clawed back into the world of my grandparents and forced to live in it because people are too afraid of what something different could be like.

I'm 35 BTW, before anyone starts off on a "you young millennials!" rant on me.

Fueled by Caffeine wrote:

fasted58 wrote:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Basically, one group thinks the world has passed them by and they want their "old" world back.... That's not really how history works.

Well, things were really better before all the improvements.

I've heard that phrase before but it's never been proven out by data. Both in private and public sectors. If things really were that good then there never would have been change. people don't change for changes sake. Change is tough and painful.

Whenever I hear someone say, "things used to be better," I think they leave out the crucial element, "for a white dude." I think that the world has become quite a bit better for every other demographic, at least in western civilization, than any other time in modern history.

But I'm a naive millennial so my vote doesn't count.

Jay wrote:

mapper wrote: Relevant to this discussion: I think leaving the EU will only hurt Britain. Not relevant but WTF. Some of this conversation sounds so NWO/Utopia. Maybe I've had my fill of the latest social media "deep thoughts" from the younger generations (I'm not that old myself) but the self-righteousness and hatred being spewed by the "enlightened ones" over this is making me cranky. Time for my warm milk and a nap.

^^ I assume this was mostly directed at me :P Yeah it's an issue I feel rather strongly about so I do tend to get pretty opinionated. That said I didn't mean to be condescending to anyone so apologies if my posts came off as such.

Not directed at you at all and I retyped several times to try and get my message across correctly. I failed

I just come across a lot of people who consider themselves enlightened whose arguments are nothing but illogical and emotional screaming. The internet and instant communication are great things but have built a great platform for the true shiny happy people from all sides to spew their crap.

You and I my not have the same opinion but I can listen to anyone who relies on facts and logic for theirs.

Mitchell wrote:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote:

fasted58 wrote:

Fueled by Caffeine wrote: Basically, one group thinks the world has passed them by and they want their "old" world back.... That's not really how history works.

Well, things were really better before all the improvements.

I've heard that phrase before but it's never been proven out by data. Both in private and public sectors. If things really were that good then there never would have been change. people don't change for changes sake. Change is tough and painful.

Whenever I hear someone say, "things used to be better," I think they leave out the crucial element, "for a white dude." I think that the world has become quite a bit better for every other demographic, at least in western civilization, than any other time in modern history. But I'm a naive millennial so my vote doesn't count.

And hopefully things will continue to get better for all marginalized groups. Not all change is bad. What is bad is that those who consider themselves to be the righteous will borderline try to destroy anyone who does not share exactly the same opinion. Intolerance on either side is increasing (it was already bad enough) but I consider internet social justice warriors to be some of the worst. They wear the cloak of righteousness so that makes it alright, it seems. Keep on screaming in someones face, even those who might support the essence of your cause, and at some point they are going to get fed up and turn away. I think the dilemma we face towards the end of the year is partial the result of those in the middle being screamed at so much that they have turned to someone who will make the harassment go away. (I purposely tried to be as vague as possible for a reason). I wonder if a portion of the vote in Britain ended up the way it did due to the weariness of those in the middle.

In reply to mapper:

That and the silent majority(at least in the US) seems to really like wrecking everything for the extreme sides when given the opportunity. There are some of us who just love ruining politician's and politically inclined people's days. I care about a few principles and can't give fewer berkeleys to the rest.

RCE has an article on the potential impacts to the motorsport industry:

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/blogs/gravel-trap-motorsport-in-a-post-brexit-britain/

tuna55 wrote:

1988RedT2 wrote: I always find it refreshing when the voice of the people is heard over the incessant din of the the power-wielding elite. I also love it when that voice goes against the grain of the propaganda-spewing "mainstream" press and sends them into a tizzy. I am very much enjoying this.

Hear hear! I think this may be the very best part of the Trump candidacy also.

This attitude is revelling in rebellion just for the sake of rebellion, no matter the cause or the cost attached. Being the power-wielding elite and mainstream media doesn't make them universally wrong. It's not even just a rebellion against power, it's partly also a rebellion against expertise (This especially applies to Trump who thinks he's entitled to his own facts).

It's better to assess the situation on its merits for yourself than to blindly "stick it to the man" on the assumption that he's trying to hold you down by telling you not to use a box of tacks as a breakfast cereal.

Mitchell wrote:

1988RedT2 wrote:

PHeller wrote: The idea just hit me, what if instead of an electoral college putting weight in poorly populated areas to balance highly populated area, we weighted age groups stronger based on number of years of life expectancy. Not a dramatic weight, but just enough that in 50/50 counts, it would bump up the count with younger voters. Imagine the irony of comments like "for last 50 years the young vote has messed up our country."

Oh, please! We all know that young people do most of their thinking with their reproductive organs. With age comes wisdom. Young people are naive, materialistic, and gullible. How else do you explain a tired old socialist like Bernie Sanders polling so well amongst the young? Anyone that's not so wet behind the ears has seen it all before. Go read a history book!

Did you refer to Bernie Sanders as a sex symbol?

Arguably hotter than Hilary. I mean... don't you just want to tussle his bad-boy hair-do? It's big fish / small pond sort of sexuality.

Mitchell wrote: Whenever I hear someone say, "things used to be better," I think they leave out the crucial element, "for a white dude." I think that the world has become quite a bit better for every other demographic, at least in western civilization, than any other time in modern history. But I'm a naive millennial so my vote doesn't count.

The average white dude didn't have it so great back in the day. There are still more white men working blue-collar type jobs than white-collar type jobs.

We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Are now parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

Mitchell wrote: Whenever I hear someone say, "things used to be better," I think they leave out the crucial element, "for a white dude." I think that the world has become quite a bit better for every other demographic, at least in western civilization, than any other time in modern history. But I'm a naive millennial so my vote doesn't count.

After reading this thread, Facebook, and reactions seen in British and US media, this is the perfect synopsis.

Keep going O.G., remember screwing the youth by debt and bigotry because of a fear of different and loss of entitlement only means you better hope those hard days from the 60's, 70's and 80's catches up to you in your sleep because the naive can't afford you an E.R. visit much less a nursing home.

and on that I'm out.

Bobzilla wrote: So basically, the UK is acting like the confederates during our civil war. Mankind is doomed to repeat our history.

They say the want to leave to have more autonomy, but really it's just about keeping anyone who isn't white and British out. So yeah, sounds pretty familiar.

Let's blame everything on "the other" because you know it's easier

For those who might know more about this:

Is it possible Britain might have a do over?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/politics/uk-referendum-regrexit/index.html

mapper wrote: For those who might know more about this: Is it possible Britain might have a do over? http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/politics/uk-referendum-regrexit/index.html

Put up or shut-up...The people asking for a do-over should be forced to include a $100 bill with their signature on the petition to help cover the cost of the E36 M3 they are stirring.

I do agree on some level that any democratic vote with such a small margin of victory does not make for a clear mandate from the population.

WOW Really Paul? wrote:

PHeller wrote: The idea just hit me, what if instead of an electoral college putting weight in poorly populated areas to balance highly populated area, we weighted age groups stronger based on number of years of life expectancy. Not a dramatic weight, but just enough that in 50/50 counts, it would bump up the count with younger voters. Imagine the irony of comments like "for last 50 years the young vote has messed up our country."

Do you honestly want the "We have no idea what is going on" millennial crowd to have that much power right now? Great Scott, I'm one of the early members of their ranks, and think that would be the worst idea in the history of mankind.....although I could probably manipulate them into establishing a dictatorship to launch my diabolical dream of world domination.

I just have to say my main take away from this whole thread is that I had no idea you were younger than me. I always pictured you in your 60's, lol.

The element you all seem to be skimming over is the issue of accountability. The Government is sworn to uphold and enforce the social contract of the Constitution (or whatever laws apply) so as to allow the population some ability to react to new circumstances (aka change). The reason things are "chaotic" IMHO is that the issue of Accountability has basically been thrown to the wind. The EU has never paid any attention to what their populations want and things in the US are no longer considered on the basis of legality but what they can get away with (see the Affordable Care Act). This is all basically a reaction to that. Good reaction/bad reaction, we'll see.