Cash for Clunkers

Aeromoto wrote: phranc- as far as "progressivism", it's what we have arrived at, like it or not, and we're not going back. "Workfare" will never happen in this country. Your idea of "I'm a tough guy and I'm gonna kick criminal ass" and "sending them to the crematorium" is about as founded in reality as a Fast and Furious movie. .

We can go back it just takes people not like you. But keep up your defeatist attitude. You are the reason we are in this mess. It takes a special kind of stupid to think paying off criminals is a good idea.

My kill a sorry bastard attitude works just fine in reality. You'd be surprised how cowardly people are when you stand up to them.

Aeromoto wrote: ...and as far as "workfare"? Work where? and with who? These are people who have some sort of dysfunction, as well as having no education, skills, work ethic, or ambition. I don't know what any of you people do for a living, but are YOU willing to hire them and/or work side by side with them? Or is it someone elses problem to hire and deal with them? I've worked in 3 industries in my life- heavy equipment, motorsports, and now aviation, all industries where you often have to trust your co workers with your lives. I can't tell you that there's no room for these people in any of those industries, and not to mention there aren't enough jobs for the people who want to work and are capable to hold a job. Sir, I'm afraid YOUR realities are in fact founded in an America that exists nowhere outside of a Toby Keith video

They can work picking up litter. Their dysfunction is mostly just being lazy. Not every industry has you needing to trust your life with a coworker. Your life lesson pool is pretty shallow.

My reality is based in reality. But you need to feel better about your self by stating something is fact when it isn't thats ok. It's just another example of your intellectual dishonesty.

SupraWes wrote: All of the "wellfare" that has people up in arms can be paid for by the spare change the military has in its couch cushions.

Brb, off to check the couch.

Aeromoto wrote: Sorry but Van Jones is not on my radar. And who is my "pimp"? I'll assume you're speaking of Obama? I didn't vote for Obama, nor am I an Obama supporter. I am not a republican or democrat, nor am I a conservative or a liberal. If I had to best describe my politcal views, it would be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q And if you don't believe this ^^^ is the truth, good luck to you all. And as far as the PT, it came with a full warranty for as long as we care to own it, so if it's a p.o.s., it's really Chrysler's problem, not mine.

Van Jones was Obama's "Green Jobs Czar," and the guy whose "Hoopties for Hybrids" program you benefitted from. He's also a racist and a 9/11 Conspiracy whack-job. Again, it's good to have a clue what the berkeley you're talking about before you go calling someone an ignorant racist.

What the hell happened here? I thought we were decrying the loss of 98 Expeditions.

Picking up litter? Right. That's brilliant! So you're basically saying they will then be in the employ of the government. Now we have a brand new arm of the govt created to have welfare recipients pick up trash. So they were getting maybe $15K a year on welfare, and lets do the new math--

Lets say you give them the same $15k salary for picking up trash.

Then you need lots of people to babysit them, and being the govt, a small army of paper pushers, we'll just collectively call this "administrative costs" of..., oh lets say another $15k per year

And many of them don't drive, so you'll have to transport them to where ever the trash is located. So that's gonna mean a fleet of thousands of buses, add in the drivers, mechanics, fuel, maintenance, etc. We'll call that "transportaion costs" at another $15k per year.

Then you could imagine that many of them will claim they've been injured while picking up the trash, so of coarse they'll be worker's comp claims and law suits, and of coarse they'll need gloves, rakes, etc. Then there's the osha safety training they'll need, etc, etc, etc. We'll say another $15k per year for "misc."

So, therefore we're looking at a thrifty $60k each a year to have welfare recipients pick up trash. Brilliant!

Phranc, your ingeniuous ideas would truly make you an excellent politician. No joke, you would fit in perfectly! You should buy a suit and consider a career change.

poopshovel wrote:

Aeromoto wrote: Sorry but Van Jones is not on my radar. And who is my "pimp"? I'll assume you're speaking of Obama? I didn't vote for Obama, nor am I an Obama supporter. I am not a republican or democrat, nor am I a conservative or a liberal. If I had to best describe my politcal views, it would be this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q And if you don't believe this ^^^ is the truth, good luck to you all. And as far as the PT, it came with a full warranty for as long as we care to own it, so if it's a p.o.s., it's really Chrysler's problem, not mine.

Van Jones was Obama's "Green Jobs Czar," and the guy whose "Hoopties for Hybrids" program you benefitted from. He's also a racist and a 9/11 Conspiracy whack-job. Again, it's good to have a clue what the berkeley you're talking about before you go calling someone an ignorant racist.

Sorry if I have a life and don't have time to keep each and every fringe lunatic on my radar.

Van Jones was also a CPUSA member, as in Communist Party of the United States of America. And my how this sharing of a joke I found funny has erupted.

Aeromoto wrote: Picking up litter? Right. That's brilliant! So you're basically saying they will then be in the employ of the government. Now we have a brand new arm of the govt created to have welfare recipients pick up trash. So they were getting maybe $15K a year on welfare, and lets do the new math-- Lets say you give them the same $15k salary for picking up trash. Then you need lots of people to babysit them, and being the govt, a small army of paper pushers, we'll just collectively call this "administrative costs" of..., oh lets say another $15k per year And many of them don't drive, so you'll have to transport them to where ever the trash is located. So that's gonna mean a fleet of thousands of buses, add in the drivers, mechanics, fuel, maintenance, etc. We'll call that "transportaion costs" at another $15k per year. Then you could imagine that many of them will claim they've been injured while picking up the trash, so of coarse they'll be worker's comp claims and law suits, and of coarse they'll need gloves, rakes, etc. Then there's the osha safety training they'll need, etc, etc, etc. We'll say another $15k per year for "misc." So, therefore we're looking at a thrifty $60k each a year to have welfare recipients pick up trash. Brilliant! Phranc, your ingeniuous ideas would truly make you an excellent politician. No joke, you would fit in perfectly! You should buy a suit and consider a career change.

Workfare is being employed by the government. OIts better than doing nothing and getting paid by the government.

Otto Maddox wrote: What the hell happened here? I thought we were decrying the loss of 98 Expeditions.

Someone decided his participation in a dumb program was justified and started deriding those who disagree. The best defense is a good offense strategy?

Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't.

Aeromoto wrote: In case you hadn't noticed, the whole game is rigged. Wakey Wakey, Eggs and Bakey!! Time to open those eyes! People sit back and talk about our gov's trillions of debt like the cash just went into some oblivious void, like it was jettisoned into some black hole out in space? The trillions went into the hands of our politicains, their brother-in-laws, their counrty club buddies, and of coarse the corporations that grease every single repuke and demoE36 M3 politician with power tie and dark colored business suit. It didn't just vanish, it was stolen, and the only difference between the two uber-parties is that they are fronting for different groups of sticky fingers. And, meanwhile, they have the common people of this country at odds over abortion, what grown adults can or cannot do in their bedrooms, and god forbid- steroids in baseball, while behind the smokescreen they steal EVERYTHING for themselves. So, long story short, I took the $4500 and slept like a freakin baby. Sue me.

I wasn't comment here because I usually avoid political discussion, but this is a true statement. I have a friend who has a degree in political science. One day I asked him what his personal views on politics are. He said, "The whole thing is set up to get people worked up over things that don't matter so that the politicians can continue to do whatever the hell they really want without being noticed". He continued to say something along the lines of how he refused to support any political party because the point of political parties was really just to stage this game so that they can really just work together to get richer.

Aeromoto wrote: Picking up litter? Right. That's brilliant! So you're basically saying they will then be in the employ of the government. Now we have a brand new arm of the govt created to have welfare recipients pick up trash. So they were getting maybe $15K a year on welfare, and lets do the new math-- Lets say you give them the same $15k salary for picking up trash. Then you need lots of people to babysit them, and being the govt, a small army of paper pushers, we'll just collectively call this "administrative costs" of..., oh lets say another $15k per year And many of them don't drive, so you'll have to transport them to where ever the trash is located. So that's gonna mean a fleet of thousands of buses, add in the drivers, mechanics, fuel, maintenance, etc. We'll call that "transportaion costs" at another $15k per year. Then you could imagine that many of them will claim they've been injured while picking up the trash, so of coarse they'll be worker's comp claims and law suits, and of coarse they'll need gloves, rakes, etc. Then there's the osha safety training they'll need, etc, etc, etc. We'll say another $15k per year for "misc." So, therefore we're looking at a thrifty $60k each a year to have welfare recipients pick up trash. Brilliant! Phranc, your ingeniuous ideas would truly make you an excellent politician. No joke, you would fit in perfectly! You should buy a suit and consider a career change.

At least this E36 M3hole of a country wouldn't look like a giant ashtray or MickeyD's dumpster along side the road, but then again you probably enjoy looking at it everyday.

Transportation costs, really? If you want your check, you will find a way to get where you have to be at the right time.

Medical? I hear the VA is good. Might take you 3 mo to get that CAT scan to find out you have had a brain tumor for 8mo previous....

Administrative costs? Not like the case workers are doing anything more for their 30k/yr if they see them in the office every 3 mo or once a week before "work" to see if they are really working for the money.

TuffWork wrote:

Aeromoto wrote: In case you hadn't noticed, the whole game is rigged. Wakey Wakey, Eggs and Bakey!! Time to open those eyes! People sit back and talk about our gov's trillions of debt like the cash just went into some oblivious void, like it was jettisoned into some black hole out in space? The trillions went into the hands of our politicains, their brother-in-laws, their counrty club buddies, and of coarse the corporations that grease every single repuke and demoE36 M3 politician with power tie and dark colored business suit. It didn't just vanish, it was stolen, and the only difference between the two uber-parties is that they are fronting for different groups of sticky fingers. And, meanwhile, they have the common people of this country at odds over abortion, what grown adults can or cannot do in their bedrooms, and god forbid- steroids in baseball, while behind the smokescreen they steal EVERYTHING for themselves. So, long story short, I took the $4500 and slept like a freakin baby. Sue me.

I wasn't comment here because I usually avoid political discussion, but this is a true statement. I have a friend who has a degree in political science. One day I asked him what his personal views on politics are. He said, "The whole thing is set up to get people worked up over things that don't matter so that the politicians can continue to do whatever the hell they really want without being noticed". He continued to say something along the lines of how he refused to support any political party because the point of political parties was really just to stage this game so that they can really just work together to get richer.

You guys nailed it. Whenever somebody is going on about how Obama is a socialist or how Santorum is a theocrat, this should be the reply.

mmmm strawberry rhubarb

Otto Maddox wrote:

TuffWork wrote:

Aeromoto wrote: In case you hadn't noticed, the whole game is rigged. Wakey Wakey, Eggs and Bakey!! Time to open those eyes! People sit back and talk about our gov's trillions of debt like the cash just went into some oblivious void, like it was jettisoned into some black hole out in space? The trillions went into the hands of our politicains, their brother-in-laws, their counrty club buddies, and of coarse the corporations that grease every single repuke and demoE36 M3 politician with power tie and dark colored business suit. It didn't just vanish, it was stolen, and the only difference between the two uber-parties is that they are fronting for different groups of sticky fingers. And, meanwhile, they have the common people of this country at odds over abortion, what grown adults can or cannot do in their bedrooms, and god forbid- steroids in baseball, while behind the smokescreen they steal EVERYTHING for themselves. So, long story short, I took the $4500 and slept like a freakin baby. Sue me.

I wasn't comment here because I usually avoid political discussion, but this is a true statement. I have a friend who has a degree in political science. One day I asked him what his personal views on politics are. He said, "The whole thing is set up to get people worked up over things that don't matter so that the politicians can continue to do whatever the hell they really want without being noticed". He continued to say something along the lines of how he refused to support any political party because the point of political parties was really just to stage this game so that they can really just work together to get richer.

You guys nailed it. Whenever somebody is going on about how Obama is a socialist or how Santorum is a theocrat, this should be the reply.

I've posted before I believe McCain/Palin was designed for the R's to lose, to be able to blame the D's, and the current crop is designed to do the same as well.

In reply to z31maniac, Otto and tuffwork:

So all that speculation about the Bilderberg crew wanting to rule the world is true?

4cylndrfury wrote: mmmm strawberry rhubarb

Wow! I was sure that I was not going to post in this thread, but you sir have provoked me! As pie is one of those topics on which I am extremely passionate, let me say that your choice of strawberry rhubarb is absolutely superlative! There is no finer pie. Rhubarb is at risk of becoming unknown to modern pie lovers, but their ignorance will be their undoing! Long live strawberry rhubarb, the rightful king of pies!

In reply to 1988RedT2:

Sir, you have my interest piqued!!!! I have never sampled this claimed finer pie. Do you care to share a good recipe? I have strawberries in the fridge, just need the vegetable grade rhubarb to go with it.

oldsaw wrote: In reply to z31maniac, Otto and tuffwork: So all that speculation about the Bilderberg crew wanting to rule the world is true?

Buy more tin foil before they take over YOUR thoughts too!

It's so huge as to not believe, but then some stuff makes it hard not to believe.

orphancars wrote: In reply to 1988RedT2: Sir, you have my interest piqued!!!! I have never sampled this claimed finer pie. Do you care to share a good recipe? I have strawberries in the fridge, just need the vegetable grade rhubarb to go with it.

Sure! This ought to work out fine. Never actually baked this recipe, but if you've got a decent crust, it's hard to go wrong.

http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1837,153188-255201,00.html

Edit: I just read it again. Total bake time should be about one hour. Keep an eye on it after 50 minutes or so and don't let your crust get too brown.

Hoopties for Homeez is racist. Let's be honest here. If you're saying this it doesn't matter what color you are. We all know what's being said and about who. It also furthers the idea that most welfare recipients are black. In 2003 the difference between the percentage of white families on welfare and black was a matter of a few percentage points. Data here.

None of you jackholes who jumped on Aeromoto for buying a new car via cash for clunkers have a leg to stand on. You all take advantage of various programs that various tax payers support or oppose in various ways. Jumping down his throat about this is fvcking ridiculous. Get over yourselves. Can any of you turn off the hate spigot for a few?

Cash for clunkers was how long ago? Hint, Nov 1 2009. And you guys have to drag this dead horse out to beat it more? Here is a link about the economic effects of the rebate program so you can all give it a rest. Btw - most of the cars crushed were crap. Get over it. They're gone.

But hey, continue your ridiculous dick measuring contest if you want. Which is bullE36 M3 because we all know Milton Berle had the largest dick in Hollywood.

Xceler8x wrote: Hoopties for Homeez is racist. Let's be honest here. If you're saying this it doesn't matter what color you are. We all know what's being said and about who. It also furthers the idea that most welfare recipients are black. In 2003 the difference between the percentage of white families on welfare and black was a matter of a few percentage points. Data here. None of you jackholes who jumped on Aeromoto for buying a new car via cash for clunkers have a leg to stand on. You all take advantage of various programs that various tax payers support or oppose in various ways. Jumping down his throat about this is fvcking ridiculous. Get over yourselves. Can any of you turn off the hate spigot for a few? Cash for clunkers was how long ago? Hint, Nov 1 2009. And you guys have to drag this dead horse out to beat it more? Here is a link about the economic effects of the rebate program so you can all give it a rest. Btw - most of the cars crushed were crap. Get over it. They're gone. But hey, continue your ridiculous dick measuring contest if you want. Which is bullE36 M3 because we all know Milton Berle had the largest dick in Hollywood.

So when Van Jones a black said hoopties for homies was he being racist or is it only racist when a white person does it?

Xceler8x wrote: Hoopties for Homeez is racist. Let's be honest here. If you're saying this it doesn't matter what color you are. We all know what's being said and about who. It also furthers the idea that most welfare recipients are black. In 2003 the difference between the percentage of white families on welfare and black was a matter of a few percentage points. Data here. None of you jackholes who jumped on Aeromoto for buying a new car via cash for clunkers have a leg to stand on. You all take advantage of various programs that various tax payers support or oppose in various ways. Jumping down his throat about this is fvcking ridiculous. Get over yourselves. Can any of you turn off the hate spigot for a few? Cash for clunkers was how long ago? Hint, Nov 1 2009. And you guys have to drag this dead horse out to beat it more? Here is a link about the economic effects of the rebate program so you can all give it a rest. Btw - most of the cars crushed were crap. Get over it. They're gone. But hey, continue your ridiculous dick measuring contest if you want. Which is bullE36 M3 because we all know Milton Berle had the largest dick in Hollywood.

I don't see what "welfare" has to do with "Hoopties for Homeez." Let alone race.

You made the jump that you thought everyone was saying that everyone on welfare was black simply because you wanted something to chastise everyone about. Not ONE person here said that. Not ONE person here said "Hoopties for Black People." They said "Homeez." I still don't know what race "Homeez" is, because around here, and throughout my entire life, "Homeez" has been a pretty consistent MIX of races.

Soo... great job turning "Hoopties for Homeez" into "only black people are on welfare." Who's the racist?