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fastEddie
fastEddie Dork
10/5/10 8:08 p.m.

Like the title says, any recommendations?

I'm about to upgrade to Win7 Home Premium * - does it have any built-in utilities or anything more than XP does/did?

    • Family Pack Upgrade is back for a limited time, 3 licenses for $140 - http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Windows-Premium-Upgrade-Family/dp/B002MV2MG0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1286327155&sr=8-1 )
failboat
failboat New Reader
10/5/10 8:11 p.m.

fastEddie
fastEddie Dork
10/6/10 7:53 a.m.

Exactly, just want a backup plan for teenagers in the house. I can't watch them all the time.

nderwater
nderwater HalfDork
10/6/10 9:15 a.m.

uggh. thanks for the reminder that my daughter will be a teenager one day, and all the crap I'll have to worry about when that time comes.

Grtechguy
Grtechguy SuperDork
10/6/10 12:07 p.m.

Free filtering: opendns.org nothing is installed on the computer/networked device and logs can be checked from work.

SupraWes
SupraWes Dork
10/6/10 5:51 p.m.
Grtechguy wrote: Free filtering: opendns.org nothing is installed on the computer/networked device and logs can be checked from work.

What this guy said, kids are smart, they get around local software easy peasy. Everybody should be using opendns even if you don't have kids.

ReverendDexter
ReverendDexter Dork
10/7/10 9:49 a.m.

Don't try to monitor at the PC. That's as easy to avoid as just plugging in a different computer or downloading a linux live CD and booting off of that.

Better idea is to monitor at the router. You can see what IPs the machines on your network are making requests to, and there's no circumventing it on the local machine level.

Grtechguy
Grtechguy SuperDork
10/7/10 10:40 a.m.

If you have a spare box... check out Untangle.

SupraWes
SupraWes Dork
10/7/10 5:00 p.m.
ReverendDexter wrote: Don't try to monitor at the PC. That's as easy to avoid as just plugging in a different computer or downloading a linux live CD and booting off of that. Better idea is to monitor at the router. You can see what IPs the machines on your network are making requests to, and there's no circumventing it on the local machine level.

Yes openDNS numbers plugged into the router, which is password protected. For further security cable/dsl modem locked away to prevent by passing the router.

fastEddie
fastEddie Dork
10/8/10 2:21 p.m.

The teen in question is my daughter who isn't computer savy but likes the internetz.

FYI - Microsoft Live Family Safety is free and is monitored thru your Live (Hotmail) account. I'm trying it out.

http://explore.live.com/windows-live-essentials?os=other

mrwillie
mrwillie Reader
10/8/10 5:25 p.m.
ReverendDexter wrote: Don't try to monitor at the PC. That's as easy to avoid as just plugging in a different computer or downloading a linux live CD and booting off of that. Better idea is to monitor at the router. You can see what IPs the machines on your network are making requests to, and there's no circumventing it on the local machine level.

+1

How about a cheap pentium box running ipcop or endian? You can get as fancy as you want w/ the configuration, limit access times to the internet from certain computers, filter websites by readlily-available online "whitelist" sites, etc...

http://www.tech-faq.com/free-firewall-software.html

Travis_K
Travis_K SuperDork
5/10/11 1:57 a.m.

More zombie canoe.

Rufledt
Rufledt HalfDork
5/10/11 2:52 a.m.

hang on, i forget. Do we take a drink if a canoe revives an old thread and people continue posting, or is it if nobody notices?

1988RedT2
1988RedT2 Dork
5/10/11 6:44 a.m.
Rufledt wrote: hang on, i forget. Do we take a drink if a canoe revives an old thread and people continue posting, or is it if nobody notices?

Yes.

BoxheadTim
BoxheadTim GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
5/10/11 8:26 a.m.

<raises tea mug>

dollraves
dollraves Reader
5/10/11 9:29 a.m.

Check your router; I know my company (netgear) has parental control options available:

http://countries.netgear.com/lpc

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
5/10/11 9:43 a.m.
SupraWes wrote:
Grtechguy wrote: Free filtering: opendns.org nothing is installed on the computer/networked device and logs can be checked from work.
What this guy said, kids are smart, they get around local software easy peasy. Everybody should be using opendns even if you don't have kids.

You realize that a filtering/logging DNS server is the easiest approach to work around right?

madmallard
madmallard Reader
5/10/11 10:45 a.m.

not really.

If all the internets in the house must pass thru one router that is being monitored by DNS software, thats your choke point?

Even if you set a client behind the router to a different DNS, it still has to go thru the router to get to that DNS, afaik

N Sperlo
N Sperlo Reader
5/10/11 11:19 a.m.

Rusted_Busted_Spit
Rusted_Busted_Spit GRM+ Memberand Dork
5/10/11 11:43 a.m.
madmallard wrote: not really. If all the internets in the house must pass thru one router that is being monitored by DNS software, thats your choke point? Even if you set a client behind the router to a different DNS, it still has to go thru the router to get to that DNS, afaik

Its not that hard to find an open proxy server and go through there.

Jerry From LA
Jerry From LA HalfDork
5/10/11 12:02 p.m.
fastEddie wrote: The teen in question is my daughter who isn't computer savy but likes the internetz. FYI - Microsoft Live Family Safety is free and is monitored thru your Live (Hotmail) account. I'm trying it out. http://explore.live.com/windows-live-essentials?os=other

She may not be savvy but someone in her class is. For a couple bucks (or free if the tech nerd in question is a guy and likes her), they'll configure a work around for her.

I'm convinced child-rearing today is much like "Hogan's Heroes." Unfortunately, we're Colonel Klink.

madmallard
madmallard Reader
5/10/11 12:09 p.m.

i'm more of the school of thought that goes like this:

"these are the terms for internet use here. Know that I am monitoring it. Any attempt to bypass means no more internet."

While they can circumvent it if dedicated enough, they usually aren't dedicated enough to do what it takes to cover tracks of circumvention.

Kinda like using a OBD2 plug tracker on the kids' car. "remove it, or if there's a gap in the log, you can't drive anymore."

HiTempguy
HiTempguy Dork
5/10/11 12:56 p.m.

I'm curious about what you are worried about your daughter seeing on the internet?

Porn? Sites related to drugs? I am not AGAINST monitoring, just curious as to the reason why... I expect all 14+ year olds to know what they are doing (in a generalized sense), as even I did back when the high speed intertubez were just getting fired up.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
5/10/11 1:06 p.m.

In reply to HiTempguy:

Well... I have 2 boys... and it does occur to me that boys looking for pictures of nekkid girls their own age could get the guy on the billing slip into quite a bucket of hot water. Even the fear of death my own children have of embarrassing their mother in the newspaper... won't stop one of their friends from googling "german schizer films".

I put the computer in the family room and only allow it on by permission now... but a little software help is on the roadmap.

Tom Heath
Tom Heath Web Manager
5/10/11 1:37 p.m.

I've been able to do a pretty good job of monitoring just by checking the history files and cookies. If Dad doesn't let them know how he found out they found nekkid chix, they will continue to think I have superpowers. When I start seeing missing time from the history files, I'll know they're really starting to grow up.

So far, I've busted my older son once with no repeat offenses...yet.

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