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bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
12/15/11 1:14 p.m.
EastCoastMojo
EastCoastMojo GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/15/11 1:24 p.m.

Hmmmm...

oldsaw
oldsaw SuperDork
12/15/11 1:26 p.m.

Was that a back-handed way of saying there's no Shelby content?

Tom Heath
Tom Heath Web Manager
12/15/11 1:33 p.m.

I have no idea...but if you're looking for information on the Classic Motorsports Shelby project, I'd go here.

http://classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1967-Shelby-gt-350/

or

http://classicmotorsports.net/shelby/

aussiesmg
aussiesmg SuperDork
12/15/11 1:48 p.m.

Speachless caught in print

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
12/15/11 1:49 p.m.

Tom - The forward and back buttons are all berkeleyed up in that story, FYI.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/15/11 1:52 p.m.

How was the cowl in that car?

Tom Heath
Tom Heath Web Manager
12/15/11 2:00 p.m.
DILYSI Dave wrote: Tom - The forward and back buttons are all berkeleyed up in that story, FYI.

Forward and back buttons? Those links go to the project index; there should be a list of the updates and such, but nothing to go forward or back on. Please help me understand what you're seeing so I can fix it.

Tom Heath
Tom Heath Web Manager
12/15/11 2:02 p.m.
Woody wrote: How was the cowl in that car?

That's an odd area. The paint has peeled so it's raw metal, but there's very little rust. Looks like an old galvanized pail to me. I'll try to dig up a photo that shows it.

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
12/15/11 2:07 p.m.

http://classicmotorsports.net/project-cars/1967-Shelby-gt-350/our-shelby-saga-begins/

If I press the NEXT Button, it goes to the next entry (the trans writeup), as it should.

From that page though, if I press NEXT, it skips most of the project and ends up with the AC refurb. And from that one, if I press NEXT, it skips wheels and tires, and goes straight to stopping and steering.

The PREVIOUS buttons are equally fubar, but I didn't notice since I like to read from front to back.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/15/11 2:24 p.m.
Tom Heath wrote:
Woody wrote: How was the cowl in that car?
That's an odd area. The paint has peeled so it's raw metal, but there's very little rust. Looks like an old galvanized pail to me. I'll try to dig up a photo that shows it.

Does it leak water through the cowl? Any signs of previous repairs or plastic "tophat" patches? That's a notorious trouble spot on early Mustangs and a frequent cause of floor rust, similar to what you found on that car.

Tom Heath
Tom Heath Web Manager
12/15/11 2:59 p.m.

In reply to DILYSI Dave:

Thanks Dave; I see what you mean now. They're supposed to tie with the date of the post, which should be pretty easy.

The internet is awesome. Thank god everything happens automatically.

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
12/15/11 3:04 p.m.
Tom Heath wrote: In reply to DILYSI Dave: Thanks Dave; I see what you mean now. They're supposed to tie with the date of the post, which should be pretty easy. The internet is awesome. Thank god everything happens automatically.

:)

I dunno if the other cars have the same issue or not. I only read thru the Shelby.

Also - Is Tim really doing a concourse restoration, complete with correct markings and overspray, on the non-visible portion of the car, while maintaining the junkyard illusion on the outside? That seems like an inordinate amount of work to put into a car that is both too clean to drive and too dirty to show. I feel like that premise must be an elaborate joke.

Marjorie Suddard
Marjorie Suddard General Manager
12/15/11 3:20 p.m.

Dave, he is indeed doing just that--or rather, has.

The original plan was to do a staged, rolling restoration that would eventually be ALL concours correct, but he's fallen in love with the crusty exterior. (I have, too.)

So right now we have what I believe is the best of both worlds: A car that's dead-nuts right underneath, has head-turning looks that are anything but prissy, and is definitely NOT too clean to drive. We drove the E36 M3 out of it Texas, actually, and as a bonus the lack of shiny paint up top meant we didn't have to wipe it down with auto detailer every day or fuss over it.

I don't think of this as an elaborate joke, but rather a pointed demonstration that you can make something like new without being afraid to use it. (After all, isn't that what everyone does with any brand-new car, unless it's that priceless they're-never-gonna-make-another-convertible-Eldorado?)

Margie

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/15/11 3:36 p.m.

I hate this car. I really, really do.

Why you ask? Simple. It's exactly what I want to do with my Javelin. Restore the greasy bits, make it go like stink, and drive the wheels off.

So why do I hate the poor Shelby then?

Because it has good patina. It looks berkleying AWESOME. My car just looks like poop. Trans Am Red does not age nearly as well as Lime Gold (which is such an epic color btw). Not to mention my car had a vinyl top, which is now a rust top. So I can't leave mine all original anyways!

Gaaah! It's not fair!!!

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
12/15/11 3:50 p.m.
Marjorie Suddard wrote: Dave, he is indeed doing just that--or rather, has. The original plan was to do a staged, rolling restoration that would eventually be ALL concours correct, but he's fallen in love with the crusty exterior. (I have, too.) So right now we have what I believe is the best of both worlds: A car that's dead-nuts right underneath, has head-turning looks that are anything but prissy, and is definitely NOT too clean to drive. We drove the E36 M3 out of it Texas, actually, and as a bonus the lack of shiny paint up top meant we didn't have to wipe it down with auto detailer every day or fuss over it. I don't think of this as an elaborate joke, but rather a pointed demonstration that you can make something like new without being afraid to use it. (After all, isn't that what everyone does with any brand-new car, unless it's that priceless they're-never-gonna-make-another-convertible-Eldorado?) Margie

It's cool. Different strokes and all that.

Tim Suddard
Tim Suddard Publisher
12/15/11 8:35 p.m.

The cowl was in good shape. The metal rim on the HVAC that goes to the cowl was junk and had to be fixed. Dave, you need to realize that just because I want to drive this thing, it is a very special car and while I have no thoughts of selling it, as I have wanted another one my whole life, it would have been stupid of me to do a half ass job underneath. Once you tear a car apart, it takes very little more time and money to do it right, than to just half ass it back together. Over the years, I have developed a mantra that I may not do everything on a car, but everything I do will be to top notch standards. Yeah, it takes a little more time and money, but it always pays off in the end if you are keeping or selling, and especially if you are writing about a car. And yes, I understand that this mantra is much more easily realized when you have the shop, the resources, the skill and the partners that we have.

Woody
Woody GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
12/15/11 8:57 p.m.

So, you really do read this stuff.

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
12/15/11 10:08 p.m.
Tim Suddard wrote: The cowl was in good shape. The metal rim on the HVAC that goes to the cowl was junk and had to be fixed. Dave, you need to realize that just because I want to drive this thing, it is a very special car and while I have no thoughts of selling it, as I have wanted another one my whole life, it would have been stupid of me to do a half ass job underneath. Once you tear a car apart, it takes very little more time and money to do it right, than to just half ass it back together. Over the years, I have developed a mantra that I may not do everything on a car, but everything I do will be to top notch standards. Yeah, it takes a little more time and money, but it always pays off in the end if you are keeping or selling, and especially if you are writing about a car. And yes, I understand that this mantra is much more easily realized when you have the shop, the resources, the skill and the partners that we have.

Nah - I get that. People get annoyed working on a car with me because if a part gets removed, it IS going to be clean when it is reinstalled. I LOVE the detail work that has gone into the part you have messed with. I kinda get preserving the patina, it's only original once, etc., but to put that much work into it and still have it look crusty just seems a shame. Especially since it probably took extra work to do it that way.

It's a cool car, and I'm all about building cars to your own taste, not someone else's. So kudos on following through on that. Just seemed weird to me. But that's OK - people think I do weird E36 M3 all the time.

Tim Suddard
Tim Suddard Publisher
12/15/11 10:50 p.m.

Actually, it wasn't my idea. Everyone on staff, at he body shop and at Ford, who has helped us a bunch on this one, asked us to leave it as it is for a while. I have to admit, the rat rod thing is not really my thing. I am too anal and too German. That said, I do kind of dig it now, and the care is easy. The next step is to try and get it somewhat better looking, without painting it.

I will still probably finish it, but right now I am enjoying all the attention it is getting for the magazines. And yes, I read a lot of this stuff. I go in spurts depending on how busy I am. Just came if from the shop. Got all the windows to roll up and down on the Mercedes we just picked up.

alex
alex SuperDork
12/16/11 12:16 a.m.

Rest easy, Tim. I'm with you 100%.

bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
12/16/11 7:08 a.m.

Sorry. What I meant to link to was this:

Link

DILYSI Dave
DILYSI Dave SuperDork
12/16/11 8:15 a.m.

That is cool. I wonder what kind of clutch the car has.

bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
12/16/11 8:28 a.m.

I also thought it was kind of strange how they emphasized that one thing.

bravenrace
bravenrace SuperDork
12/16/11 8:29 a.m.
oldsaw wrote: Was that a back-handed way of saying there's no Shelby content?

No. Not in the least.

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