914Driver wrote: How does shutting down a freeway help your cause?
I'd be hard pressed not to drive right on through that.
914Driver wrote: How does shutting down a freeway help your cause?
I'd be hard pressed not to drive right on through that.
nderwater wrote: There are 76 firearms per 100 residents in Serbia. 46 in Switzerland. More than 30 in Canada, France, Germany, Sweden, Norway and Austria. Around the western world, *lots* of people have access to guns... but these countries are some of the safest to live in. Why does the US have so much gun violence? Why is our homicide rate double that of Sierra Leone or Malawi or Israel, places infamous for violence?
Actually, the violence per capita is lower here than those other places. We have more here (not per capita, but more total) because we are a tad bit larger than Sierra Leone.
Europe has more mass shootings per capita than we do. You'll never get those real numbers on CNBC.
In reply to sesto elemento:
Pretty much, IDK about your experiences, but I usually end up chatting with the officers over caliber selection and don't even get written warnings.....
WOW Really Paul? wrote: In reply to sesto elemento: Pretty much, IDK about your experiences, but I usually end up chatting with the officers over caliber selection and don't even get written warnings.....
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In reply to sesto elemento:
The single best one was coming home from a range day with my gunbelt & Ruger Vaquero sitting on the passenger floorboard and the lever action sitting in a scabbard in the back seat......fun times.
Back on topic, I sincerely hope they set the record straight for this gentleman. Wrong place at the wrong time, and could have been very bad.
nderwater wrote: I have no basis by which to agree or disagree with this editorial, but it's a perspective I've never seen in the news media before:On any given day, in any police department in the nation, 15 percent of officers will do the right thing no matter what is happening. Fifteen percent of officers will abuse their authority at every opportunity. The remaining 70 percent could go either way depending on whom they are working with.I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing
that's a pretty powerful piece of writing.
I am just glad I have no Snap Chat, Twitter or Facebook etc. accounts. I can't imagine what that whole space is like now.
Just say no people.
These are the time I truly appreciate the relative sanity of GRM. Weird how it's a car thing... who would have thought?
I would chat more but I have a 58 Ghia in my garage right now that needs test driving. It stumbles a bit off the line, I am not sure if it's timing, the lack of vacuum advance or the mystery "mild" cam I put in in those many years ago.
tuna55 wrote: "They" have been told for months now that white cops were killing innocent black people without any backlash. "They" have provided that backlash. To me this is a case of sensationalist media causing a real problem when they were trying to get ratings or advance an agenda (however you look at it). The sad part is that there probably are bad cops out there, who are now even more well protected and even more empowered to be bad cops. The problem is just getting worse.
I'm sorry, but I'm calling bull on this. The "media" didn't record th video of a black man on the ground getting shot in the back, they just played it. Also, the "media" didn't live stream the death of a black man shot four times for reaching for his license and registration.
If anybody thinks this kind of stuff is a recent development in this country, you have just been isolated from the reality. The ever present cell phone has allowed this to be documented and posted for all to see. The "media" will report on it as it is news. In reality, the cell phone and the cell phone camera specifically and its ubiquitousness has provided some of us a new insight into what has been the reality in this country for a long, long time.
Blaming the media for this is short sighted and misses the reality that has been shoved in our face by a technology that has given voice to the previously voiceless.
In reply to aircooled:
I stopped Facebooking yesterday and don't plan on any for a few days. Maybe to just untag myself from E36 M3. I'm sick of people.
In reply to mattm:
I think you are confusing "major media outlets" or "mainstream media" or "news media" with "the media".
FaceBook, Snapchat, Twitter, YouTube, Pinterest, LinkedIn, Google+, Tumblr, Instagram, and even GRM are all part of "the media".
Cell phone users are content creators. They have become contributors, essentially free "journalists" for the media sources to use and/or manipulate.
"The media" LOVES free content they can sensationalize and earn profits from with little or no expense on their part. They are more than happy to make heroes out of everyday cellphone users (or internet users) to maximize their profits.
The issue isn't that a man was shot in the back. That could be handled. The issue is the "echo"- the reverberation across all media outlets that magnifies and festers the problem and creates a massive anger, divisiveness, and hostility, which leads to more media worthy events.
Rinse, repeat.
robot bomb? whoa. I love the fact that it saved lives, but when did our cops become delta force.
In reply to mattm:
I have to say that recent developments in technology will drive accountability across various industries. I got MANY postal service people fired for perpetrating mail fraud or handling packages roughly. GPS and Door Bell Cameras they are a motherberkeleyer.
So yes, We should use technology to bring these issues to light no matter the circumstances.
Fueled by Caffeine wrote: I got MANY postal service people fired for perpetrating mail fraud or handling packages roughly.
You got them fired, or you got them reported (and perhaps disciplined)?
Knowledge of a firing sounds like a breach of HR ethics. I'd have a much bigger problem with the USPS sharing their internal HR information with you than chucking your package on the porch.
SVreX wrote:Fueled by Caffeine wrote: I got MANY postal service people fired for perpetrating mail fraud or handling packages roughly.You got them fired, or you got them reported (and perhaps disciplined)? Knowledge of a firing sounds like a breach of HR ethics. I'd have a much bigger problem with the USPS sharing their internal HR information with you than chucking your package on the porch.
The online company that starts with A, is a rather large tail. If it wags so does the dog. They are the customer with enough clout to get some of the riffraff fired. That doesn't bother me at all.
My problem with the cellphone videos is still the perpetration of them through various media outlets.
It is extremely rare that cellphones capture the actual incident, or the actions leading up to it. That's what investigations do. Cellphones are much better at catching the aftermath.
So, a cellphone video of a guy bleeding out and his girlfriend's panicked narrative offers very little information about what happened. But it can instantly unite people in hostility toward a police officer, or an entire department. It can also attract a lot of eyeballs.
I wish media outlets spent 10% as much energy discussing the outcome of the investigation than airing the sensationalistic video. We need honest discussion and debate of solutions, not more provocative click bait.
Toyman01 wrote:SVreX wrote:The online company that starts with A, is a rather large tail. If it wags so does the dog. They are the customer with enough clout to get some of the riffraff fired. That doesn't bother me at all.Fueled by Caffeine wrote: I got MANY postal service people fired for perpetrating mail fraud or handling packages roughly.You got them fired, or you got them reported (and perhaps disciplined)? Knowledge of a firing sounds like a breach of HR ethics. I'd have a much bigger problem with the USPS sharing their internal HR information with you than chucking your package on the porch.
I couldn't care less if they got fired. But it's none of your damned business if they do.
Our gossipy cheap-thrill culture that is so enamoured with getting other people in trouble is disgusting. Companies have an obligation to not share HR information loosely.
Getting the bum fired is completely different than making it impossible for him to reform or ever get a job again.
If the standard is perfection, we have ALL failed miserably. And if HR groups can't handle information appropriately, we are ALL about a millimeter away from terrible disaster and public humiliation.
In reply to SVreX:
If the post office is like us many of the rules that apply to private company don't apply to them. If we fire someone over an incident the complantant will often get notified and thanked. As agents of the government there is no expectation of privacy. It lets them point to all the corrupt officials they've tossed out.
In reply to Wall-e:
Yeah, I get that. Not too sure about how the whole thing works, with USPS being both public and private.
But the theory still stands.
In reply to SVreX:
My business, no.
But if I was their largest customer and this was the way UPS or USPS was delivering my packages, it would become my business, or UPS and USPS wouldn't haul my freight anymore.
In reply to SVreX:
It is entirely my business if I am their largest customer. I don't know who the individual was nor do I care. Just that he was promoted to customer.
What you are entirely missing is that these violations were violations of USPS policy that resulted in termination. I just shined a light. Lose an arrow key, fired. Perpetrate fraud, fired. Throw stuff around, deny it then get fired because a video shows up, that's your fault.
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My problem with the cellphone videos is still the perpetration of them through various media outlets.It is extremely rare that cellphones capture the actual incident, or the actions leading up to it. That's what investigations do. Cellphones are much better at catching the aftermath.
So, a cellphone video of a guy bleeding out and his girlfriend's panicked narrative offers very little information about what happened. But it can instantly unite people in hostility toward a police officer, or an entire department. It can also attract a lot of eyeballs.
I wish media outlets spent 10% as much energy discussing the outcome of the investigation than airing the sensationalistic video. We need honest discussion and debate of solutions, not more provocative click bait.
I agree. The major media outlets have lost all credibility to me. At best, they rush to get the story out with little effort to vet it or have presented incomplete or misinformation as fact. At worse, they have been caught editing recordings to change the message or inflame the situation. If facts come out later that contradict their original narrative, a fraction of the effort is made to get the correction out than the original sensationalist story.
In reply to Toyman01:
I remember that video. I ensured location USPS management knew that guy needed retraining.
In reply to Fueled by Caffeine:
It is your business to expect your package is handled appropriately. It is your responsibility to report it if it is not.
It is not your business how the company handles it's HR responsibilities.
The company's only response necessary is, "Mr. FBC, I am terribly sorry this happened. I can assure you that it will never happen again, and we have taken steps to insure it. Not only has the offending person been disciplined, but the entire district has been retrained, and understands that infractions like this will not be tolerated. We appreciate your business, and thank you for bringing this to our attention."
Anything beyond that, is none of your business. If you are their #1 customer and can't handle that response, then you are abusing your power in the relationship.
In reply to SVreX:
If you like the clash of new media vs old media you might enjoy the former (2011 - 2014) HBO show titled The Newsroom since much of the story line revolves around that (with romantic comedy added in). Its not the perfect show but I enjoyed it, available on Amazon Prime Video.
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