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Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/18/12 4:42 p.m.

I buy everything (music, movies, etc) through proper retail channels and I think SOPA and PIPA suck huge balls. They give too many powers and are too vague.

There are already laws in place that deal with piracy, theft and copyright.

If SOPA passed, GRM could be shut down, have its assets frozen and more, simply because of the hotlink thread. Yeah. That's a good law, right there.

Hell, the DCMA was supposed to be the awesome-sauce that resolved this issue in the first place, but all that did was make criminals out of anyone who tried to jailbreak an Iphone.

Read this (emphasis mine):


On January 18, Boing Boing will join Reddit and other sites around the Internet in "going dark" to oppose SOPA and PIPA, the pending US legislation that creates a punishing Internet censorship regime and exports it to the rest of the world. Boing Boing could never co-exist with a SOPA world: we could not ever link to another website unless we were sure that no links to anything that infringes copyright appeared on that site. So in order to link to a URL on LiveJournal or Wordpress or Twitter or Blogspot, we'd have to first confirm that no one had ever made an infringing link, anywhere on that site. Making one link would require checking millions (even tens of millions) of pages, just to be sure that we weren't in some way impinging on the ability of five Hollywood studios, four multinational record labels, and six global publishers to maximize their profits.

If we failed to take this precaution, our finances could be frozen, our ad broker forced to pull ads from our site, and depending on which version of the bill goes to the vote, our domains confiscated, and, because our server is in Canada, our IP address would be added to a US-wide blacklist that every ISP in the country would be required to censor.

This is the part of the post where I'm supposed to say something reasonable like, "Everyone agrees that piracy is wrong, but this is the wrong way to fight it."

But you know what? Screw that.

Even though a substantial portion of my living comes from the entertainment industry, I don't think that any amount of "piracy" justifies this kind of depraved indifference to the consequences of one's actions. Big Content haven't just declared war on Boing Boing and Reddit and the rest of the "fun" Internet: they've declared war on every person who uses the net to publicize police brutality, every oppressed person in the Arab Spring who used the net to organize protests and publicize the blood spilled by their oppressors, every abused kid who used the net to reveal her father as a brutalizer of children, every gay kid who used the net to discover that life is worth living despite the torment she's experiencing, every grassroots political campaigner who uses the net to make her community a better place — as well as the scientists who collaborate online, the rescue workers who coordinate online, the makers who trade tips online, the people with rare diseases who support each other online, and the independent creators who use the Internet to earn their livings.

The contempt for human rights on display with SOPA and PIPA is more than foolish. Foolishness can be excused. It's more than greed. Greed is only to be expected. It is evil, and it must be fought.

SOPA Strike is compiling a list of sites that are also going dark for Jan 18. If you want an Internet where human rights, free speech and the rule of law are not subordinated to the entertainment industry's profits, I hope you'll join us on it.

Thank you.

  • Cory Doctorow
mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/18/12 5:04 p.m.
HiTempguy wrote: Thank you. You know how many times I've "stolen" music, only to end up buying it? If I didn't have access to the music beforehand though, I'd never buy it.

I used to do this.. if I was unsure about an artist, I would "pirate" an album online and take a good listen for a day or so.. if I liked it, I would go out and buy it.. if I hated it.. it went into the recycle bin.

madmallard
madmallard HalfDork
1/18/12 5:04 p.m.
Brett_Murphy wrote: Hell, the DCMA was supposed to be the awesome-sauce that resolved this issue in the first place, but all that did was make criminals out of anyone who tried to jailbreak an Iphone.

Actually, the DMCA was a law intended to criminalise attempts to open up closed-system technologies, where the closed system itself is part of the model of profitability.

And believe it or not, Nintendo has been leading that fight in the courts since the 80s when Galoob released the Game Genie.

There are already laws in place that deal with piracy, theft and copyright

This is actually a valid criticism of at least 1/3rd of our land's laws and the legislators failing to follow thru on stuff that already is on the books.

edit (is it just me or is page 4 all jacked up in formatting now?)

DuctTape&Bondo
DuctTape&Bondo Reader
1/18/12 5:43 p.m.

All jacked up for me too.

Appleseed
Appleseed SuperDork
1/18/12 5:44 p.m.

Its not the formatting. Its SOPA. That E36 M3 is real. Run. Run while you still can.

gamby
gamby SuperDork
1/18/12 6:06 p.m.
Appleseed wrote: Its not the formatting. Its SOPA. That E36 M3 is real. Run. Run while you still can.

SOPAAAAAA!!!!!!!

But seriously, I contacted my senator about it.

I quoted/paraphrased Frank Zappa and said that SOPA is like treating dandruff via decapitation.

mad_machine
mad_machine GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/18/12 6:17 p.m.

worst part.. one of my state representatives is partially responsible for it....

Brett_Murphy
Brett_Murphy GRM+ Memberand Dork
1/18/12 6:30 p.m.

In reply to madmallard:

That might have been the "intent" but that wasn't how it was used. Very quickly content producers started saddling their media with DRM which meant that you couldn't for example, rip a movie you owned onto your hard drive without breaking the law, because that was considered "piracy" even though you bought and owned the media.

DRM turned out very poorly for the content producers, but anybody who bypassed that DRM so they could, say for example, play a Rasputina CD they owned that contained DRM and a ROOTKIT that would force you to play the CD in a special "approved" media player was still a criminal.

That happened to me, even though there should be no difference between putting that CD into my stereo or my CDROM drive. It took me a while to get rid of that rootkit, too. The rootkit turned to be an even worse idea and turned out even more poorly for the content producer, but according to the DCMA, I'm still a criminal if I try to bypass it, even today.

ronbros9
ronbros9 New Reader
1/18/12 6:51 p.m.

i think JOHN LENNON said it best,,"WE THE PEOPLE, ARE THE VICTIMS OF THE INSANE".

Will
Will Dork
1/18/12 6:58 p.m.

The website of one of my senators, and PIPA co-sponsors, Bob Corker, is down today. Coincidence?

poopshovel
poopshovel SuperDork
1/18/12 7:01 p.m.

I honestly believe the intent is to censor the only form of media the gov't doesn't already control. With the civil unrest in the middle east and lazy retard 'movement' here in the US all organized on social media sites, methinks our handlers are scared. It's one thing when the pothead losers with rich daddies protest. Quite another when the guys who own guns and run E36 M3 do it.

RexSeven
RexSeven SuperDork
1/18/12 7:01 p.m.

Huh, and now Chris Dodd(ering) and the subhumans at the MPAA and RIAA have the nerve to say the sites that are blacking out in protest are "abusing their powers."

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2399019,00.asp

Listen you anti-American parasites:

Oh, you can't. I'd post the world's smallest violin playing a sad song for you here, but you censored it. Don't like the mean ol' Internet drawing attention to your attempts to turn us into a corporatocracy? Cry MOAR!

I've already sent e-mails to my congresscritters. They are all undecided but at least my rep (Tsongas) replied and appears to be leaning towards no. I plan on calling Lurch's (Kerry) and Scotty2Hotties' (Brown) offices tomorrow, but given how much they rake in from the entertainment and legal industries, respectively, I'm pretty sure at this point they are swimming in too much lobbying cash to care.

Javelin
Javelin GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/18/12 7:03 p.m.
poopshovel wrote: I honestly believe the *intent* is to censor the only form of media the gov't doesn't already control. With the civil unrest in the middle east and lazy retard 'movement' here in the US all organized on social media sites, methinks our handlers are scared. It's one thing when the pothead losers with rich daddies protest. Quite another when the guys who own guns and run E36 M3 do it.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The quickest way to a revolution in this country would be to royally piss of the Veterans. You think the intarwebz is scary to mobilize? The White House will burn like it did in 1812 if they berkeley with the Vet's retirement benefits, and these guys are armed to the teeth in case the damn commies ever land.

madmallard
madmallard HalfDork
1/18/12 7:05 p.m.

In reply to poopshovel:

I might believe that if the average voter participation rate ever got above %20...

RexSeven
RexSeven SuperDork
1/18/12 7:10 p.m.

Well, pissing off the Internet just might help (keyword: might). First they came for the LOLCATS, and I did not ROTFLMAO...

Taiden
Taiden SuperDork
1/18/12 7:26 p.m.

Definitely worth watching

This isn't about piracy, it's about everything else

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzqMoOk9NWc

dankspeed
dankspeed Reader
1/18/12 8:04 p.m.

Under SOPA, you could get five years for uploading a Michael Jackson song, one year more than the doctor who killed him

Keith
Keith GRM+ Memberand SuperDork
1/18/12 8:09 p.m.
Drewsifer wrote: I have a feeling this is largely tongue in cheek, but I've actually met some people who agree with SOPA. My Mother-in-law in a published author (she has 7 or 8 books out right now) and she supports what SOPA is trying to do. She did very poorly last year because a pirating website put all of her books online and refused to take them down. She eventually was able to coerce some legal action and got her books taken down but the damage was already done. She wants protection like SOPA offers but even she agrees the current bill (and PIPA) are too much and would give control of the internet to big businesses.

That's interesting because it's not what others have reported. Offering a free version of a book usually increases the sales of that book (see what O'Reilly found). Did she see a direct correlation between the sales of her books (some of which would have been on the shelf for several years unless she has stupendous productivity) and the pirated files? It should be easy enough to see.

I think piracy spikes when there are supply problems - either prices that the market considers to be too high or a simple lack of availability. Top Gear is one of the most pirated TV shows...in the world...but what if it were available in the US in the original format in a timely manner? If it were broadcast at the same time in the US as it is in the UK and we could buy the originals on DVD with the original music, would it still get downloaded as much?

I'm another person who doesn't download TV shows much any more because I can watch them on Hulu or Netflix. I was a big user of the original Napster for music, but now I'd rather buy my tracks from eMusic, iTunes or Amazon because I'll get a predictable product with the ability to preview and for little effort. Of course, if it's something that's no longer available, I'll have to go to the torrents. Same with a TV episode that's older than a couple of months (and thus no longer on Hulu) but not yet out on DVD.

The college textbooks are a good example of the market deciding the price is too high. Drop them down to a legitimate level and stop trying to sabotage the used book marketplace with constant revisions and piracy will drop off.

I'm a published author as well, and I don't want to see SOPA/PIPA pass.

poopshovel
poopshovel SuperDork
1/18/12 8:24 p.m.
madmallard wrote: In reply to poopshovel: I might believe that if the average voter participation rate ever got above %20...

The handlers have done a pretty good job at leaving just enough money in our pockets to keep us overweight and complacent. However, I think when that 50/50 number of those who pay income tax vs. those who don't gets around 30/70, the E36 M3 is going to hit the fan. I think our handlers realize this as well.

Taiden
Taiden SuperDork
1/18/12 8:46 p.m.

Piracy has also turned into an archival tool. There are countless pieces of software, movies, tv shows, books, music that are otherwise impossible to obtain, even buy. What happens to these items?

madmallard
madmallard HalfDork
1/18/12 9:27 p.m.

In reply to poopshovel:

indeed.... I was talking to my friend last year, she's a young marine with alot of world experience already under her belt, and is eyebrowse deep in geek-dom. She was explaining to me just how deep most of her "co-workers" is also steeped in it, yet are still marines, of course. I found it hilarious, enlightening, and indicative that these young professionals singing the Pokemon them song in cadence are going to leave the military still carrying their geekdom out into the real world; these professionals that manage multi-million dollar communications equipment, personnel, mechanical gear, etc etc etc...

Then I think back to the furor when Halo3 launched. College classes, help desks & tech supports, etc etc while the rest of the business world wondered what happened.

I wonder if our 'handlers' understand the difference between who's in charge, and who's running things. ^_^

DaewooOfDeath
DaewooOfDeath Dork
1/19/12 12:10 a.m.
Keith wrote:
Drewsifer wrote: I have a feeling this is largely tongue in cheek, but I've actually met some people who agree with SOPA. My Mother-in-law in a published author (she has 7 or 8 books out right now) and she supports what SOPA is trying to do. She did very poorly last year because a pirating website put all of her books online and refused to take them down. She eventually was able to coerce some legal action and got her books taken down but the damage was already done. She wants protection like SOPA offers but even she agrees the current bill (and PIPA) are too much and would give control of the internet to big businesses.
That's interesting because it's not what others have reported. Offering a free version of a book usually increases the sales of that book (see what O'Reilly found). Did she see a direct correlation between the sales of her books (some of which would have been on the shelf for several years unless she has stupendous productivity) and the pirated files? It should be easy enough to see. I think piracy spikes when there are supply problems - either prices that the market considers to be too high or a simple lack of availability. Top Gear is one of the most pirated TV shows...in the world...but what if it were available in the US in the original format in a timely manner? If it were broadcast at the same time in the US as it is in the UK and we could buy the originals on DVD with the original music, would it still get downloaded as much? I'm another person who doesn't download TV shows much any more because I can watch them on Hulu or Netflix. I was a big user of the original Napster for music, but now I'd rather buy my tracks from eMusic, iTunes or Amazon because I'll get a predictable product with the ability to preview and for little effort. Of course, if it's something that's no longer available, I'll have to go to the torrents. Same with a TV episode that's older than a couple of months (and thus no longer on Hulu) but not yet out on DVD. The college textbooks are a good example of the market deciding the price is too high. Drop them down to a legitimate level and stop trying to sabotage the used book marketplace with constant revisions and piracy will drop off. I'm a published author as well, and I don't want to see SOPA/PIPA pass.

I've been published in magazines many times now and I love it when people "steal" my work. I call it resume padding.

Same thing with the books I'm trying to get published. I would gladly sacrifice income for wider circulation.

DaewooOfDeath
DaewooOfDeath Dork
1/19/12 12:17 a.m.
Duke wrote:
HiTempguy wrote: For instance, Photoshop. I personally know close to 100 people who have pirated versions of this. Never EVER in their whole lives would they pay the thousands of dollars for full on versions and their upgrades. Is it stealing? The company lost nothing, they didn't even lose a potential sale. It has zero affect on the company.
BULLE36 M3. It's still stealing.

True, but if there's nothing you can do to stop it, and the entertainment industry will lose this fight eventually, all the moralizing in the world won't matter.

They would be better served if they tried to make lemonade than pushing SOPA in my opinion.

Giant Purple Snorklewacker
Giant Purple Snorklewacker SuperDork
1/19/12 12:36 a.m.
poopshovel wrote: I honestly believe the *intent* is to censor the only form of media the gov't doesn't already control. With the civil unrest in the middle east and lazy retard 'movement' here in the US all organized on social media sites, methinks our handlers are scared. It's one thing when the pothead losers with rich daddies protest. Quite another when the guys who own guns and run E36 M3 do it.

bingo.

gamby
gamby SuperDork
1/19/12 1:00 a.m.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote:
poopshovel wrote: I honestly believe the *intent* is to censor the only form of media the gov't doesn't already control. With the civil unrest in the middle east and lazy retard 'movement' here in the US all organized on social media sites, methinks our handlers are scared. It's one thing when the pothead losers with rich daddies protest. Quite another when the guys who own guns and run E36 M3 do it.
bingo.

Absolutely. Years and years ago, I said that the internet is the closest thing to anarchy we've ever seen. The Man has to be a bit unnerved seeing it run amok like this.

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